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WHEN I GET MY RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA I AWAYS GET IT FROM THE DEAD GAY FOURMS SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSXM0Tmt1b0FSNlRaLVZUMkpIUjJQbEdyaWxpZEFyRWJHcUF0dEVxaGs1TlVURDBXY244NExEcFdVdE1jZmtwWFQ4QkRVZ3g5SEpMNWdkUUpTODZ4Qnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFSHRPeGZyODdfWjBSVmJnR3dkSUg2MGRRbUlNOFRfRWRlUnlpcml4LUVhYVZndGw5aDlLV2lBTmRuVWZoOERBVzdlcmtLVzllUk9KZkdSRm91eVA1aGYwZVN1MXBtaUpwbUprLW15QkZuTXpkMGF1NV9jT2hqVXE4Q2ozNEVocTFrSHFFa2pscUpTUXByeDBVU1QxRzJfYmE4akQwMmRKa0dfVHVOYjRmdDdPeEhhZzktUldkamJzOHFJQVhxdDE1cFFsYUM2cHNUWk11bDQwYUhsTnpRZz09 |
ITS 1984 BABY, THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE HERE. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcG13STFqQVVyVWF2UXk3ZlpHVUhsdjJhaHNGLTg3QVl2aWhXd1MyYUc4OGN1dEQ1WE9NUjF6UE5LcFZoclgwa2l6Zmd2N1hHay1zR3Eyd1I2M1JkQ2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFbUdPckVHdmlYTy1KeGQyTEZsQzM2LW1Sb01TUm9Pcm13S1VzeU8xclVvVmd5TzJQMHBGNFgzendvQmhRQmJsaTRCeXRUaklaR1Vfb0x2WGtIbmRjazFaRmRrZ2l6eFJ3Nm9ONUZtQ2RhbUE3WjZHRER2WEdfN0JMVUpBdldxYXpfWFNVMlFwQ2dQRnV1R3NSMHY5UW9LY3VHUEtSODI3UDFJYmlwZ1V6Y1hNOHRMSW45WUo0eWl1aXNlNjZTT2J0dS1jb0EwZGpNWVI0LXFXZDdiMlZVdz09 |
"INTERNAL" REVIEW HUH. REVIEWING HOW MUCH CASH YOU GOT FROM CTR? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzVmc0VExwN191NTBDTm1nSjRoNWRnYnIyUzBCUzM5UG5kMXNGZHpKZ1FacTlWS3JhNmFzeS1tdGE0bjB3eTZBd3J3cGllMDFiakwwUUtnTm9BeWZlQWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFQ09KOW5ienF1UFY1QlhqdE5SNlhHMk1XeWdtMVZON2F3d01hQlg3eFdNNlFtQzFUd281MS1oV2FiQmdqX290aGtFbW90Y2hQV3BESGt0VmJvb2tDeWdXQXFJNFBUSUtPZTJOcTUxOTdqc0x0TGtYejRoNm9Vb0hndVZnbmxGUmktb0tfTVR4cEVtQnBSXzV2RjdId2w1X29rc0hnYXowazlNc3JqZDhSNjRxOVNHQTczVktKcXNEbGR2RkxCZzZ3U0R3TERWVW9zbjBVdFhEV3I2bE9yQT09 |
Hah! We will respond to that in more detail soon. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzLXNTcFE0VVd6Wk1XWWtab04yVC1CZDZXdC1jQ2l6SlNBRjFHMGoxLUg3enFkazVyVm83RnFYVTlTbXVzYmllUXliUXBrWTRkOWRDSk9OWlRUdExKWGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFMGVDektiLTI0ZFFOMUJyOXp5ZXFJX2ZXRDdnbzRZaVhtS0hyZy05SlBzYjc5ZS1wZk5xQ3I1YTNRUkR3WTlsYklpZlFPWG45emhzNlFCNW9CY0Rram5ZcEdzVEhlMjZoaGhKdjlkTnZmV3FfcGVvcFludWgyaEY4ZTlrcW5oek9NZmdkcU11Slc4djBtLThBU3VYdHBhU3JFMFNZZjJ0amFPTEtTUjUzSFhtWXFKaWtITWI1SWVjYmx5QnZtLXhy |
I just think it's suspicious, given the timing and recent accusations from the Clinton camp, as well as the mysterious nature of PropOrNot.com and its self-proclaimed "anonymous volunteers".
Sounds about as likely as Russian soldiers vacationing in uniform. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzUzlNc0FMYV8yOGk0WGRzaHdPTk1tUHlKbjU3QXl2cndNdjZvS0pMbnNFS3I5WENxN0ZrVmpxWGhMSWhobXdmWF9QVkYzLWpPazkta2NsaEw0VkxjbHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFNnk2UldQU285S3VXWklTSFRxTlhJWWRuMUc0b2VFTUpJQ2NRRUwtRTh3d2hmVXNZOVVudjdfMHpiYnh0bGJrWExlYzZqcW5TcUZLOXhNSzB6Z2ltUTBSOTF4Uk11NFU0NVVZT0ZuMy1ZVkQxUmhqdTQtSWRtR2lCeVM0TF9iWU1QTzdEeG11eE5ZTFZxVm92TFNnTkR5TTFySXhsc2NmZDVrNUxwZWNiclE2dnQ3SnZYRnhtcVE4TEJmQU1RTmxx |
We highlight. We do not censor. We fiercely believe in the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of the press, and have no interest in seeing anyone punished for exercising them. Quite to the contrary.
However, when outlets and individuals echo, repeat, and refer their audience to Russian propaganda, we're going to highlight it. They have the right to do that, and we have the right to call them on it.
We encourage others to describe their methodology for identifying fake news and propaganda in as much detail as we have, and build systems to simplify its identification. That does not "dull our senses", any more than cleaning up a pile of bullshit "dulls our senses".
Finally, we are not funded by anyone. We are completely independent. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzRlpXVHV6eVpYQVVVdHRPNDRTa3dZVjh6eklQVElWajNhZEVSSHBUU2trdnpIRmFrQmFrYTZaSjFUQTFqMTR5OXh6QTJaYWdjMC1aTUU0SF93X3pZVHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFV05MdjhjSVF2cllzTEE2N2w0MTFSRjdyMXVCUGUwS3pXUm9nNnJ6QnFHRzFqZ1JqeGlTVndYajhuc29VbV9VTFRMdmxnbGJVSXR3Rld5TzlObU5OME1NazFwelF4ei0zdS1aUV9ydWxDYUY1ZzJPZy1yV2ZxeGI0NHFBd3VjWFMxT3NwWXljRC1qbDZlczZ6V0hhTkwzZjRfN1N2VE9BTWFoM0E0T3FnSnZNY3hDYU5GV1B5bUQ0Z0xiZ2NJd0RjWGMzV0dOSHNEbXRBam5LTmRyQldMZz09 |
Interesting - will add to the our internal queue for review! For future reference please put some spaces between the YYYs and the domain, so it still parses. Thank you! | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzYXhEY1Fab2ItRlVfa1hQR011d2ZQaGx1TWxQeV85RnhBVklab21fc2kxM1lNektmQndrcmlWYmNoWkJ4ZWh4TEo4UEluN2UwWEM4bGh2c1AzbkFqM3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFaTRfWURvRXMtMk9xcGtvNGVMNjJvbkRtaEpxQ2YtMUk1SEotNF9rR3RmYXVOa0d2NnRVTGl6T1pBZ3JPRWlRelhFZVpidThCSGdYd3hIakxQcXRBOFRsSmhUelRfLTV2YlVNanhqd3VTQ1B4cXloMzBXQ09YMlZYYjBjSkNpZG9mcURFdW8yMldlalJkQUh4aHdoazNLV25oWnJpdE5TQ2UwMjdmbWdyWHFXU01MRDB1RjdsMDlBQXlPTFJUNUhP |
Glenn Greenwald. I am shocked. Truly. I saw that name and I was the shock. Sho | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcnNJZFRBRk1aOXN3VGN6dkFYOThrWEpwVWlGSGJTR0QwYndIa05MeEdhc2VVY3BhekNKTjU4SWhBX0NoUnZhTHJuUkxzX2Q1Y3JNc1ZTb1czOVc0RXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFcWg0dC1BN09Iam9aeUo4aV9MNl82QnRLMDB2ejRoNHFueWY5b2Q1UUxSY1BPb2o1Z25HcWRZYkprM2ZCcGpKdlAtWk5pUVV1SUVSV2xOY1NFQWh5SHpJTUp3QURhdmd0c3RoZnVvU01mY3NnMHRTRGdzMi1iUTROU0QxZ3l4ZXV4OXJqOV9ORXZmLUNuNE9RbWlJcXM3NlNLTGxSWEYyNjVJM2dUdWFvZnMzUEJrazJ6TUlWa0JhZ0pvOS14Q1VW |
Not yet, but we'd love to develop one in the future! | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzV1VJcXhsaUhXTXN6YVF0eWltbklLLWFEYmFvX3E3NGprNFJUdmo0ZkpaaTdGTi1XRUEyV2ZVQW5GUVp3OFliY1Jxc2xmby16eWNKMFg5Z2J1UnZiWVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFaTVrQzJJdmt4RnRwa2JNcWpnMkg1M2doRmdTMVFEY1VuNWJYSWl5ZFJtUUJLZXJjdjl2dkJPLUVZdjRiVlotdWwtUWp2UlNZNlpNcnAyS2NvWVJzR29ZZ3drMTBBbThVOEU1d2xWX3JFSUdxV0o4Ri1UZUhMdGFhRnVxM0tHWWFwU0JPR2FKOVdMN3VjbENXdGtpYzI3Z0M1U0x2cERSMjBrZnprcDZMeXNSVVN3c1h0cHpjQklNbk8tcG42RldFd2dvM1VQaU92SEFDV1dvQVJxWUcxQT09 |
Their methodology not being perfectly clear absolutely alarms me. I was hoping to talk a lot more about that topic on this subreddit than the assertion that the MSM here is just as bad as it is in Russia. I agree that we should all learn how to read the news critically, but it is only natural to try and make a tool to make this easier to do for people. This tool, though, should be a refined one because it could be dangerous. If you would like to start a conversation regarding the methodology of PropOrNot, I believe [this](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byj_1ybuSGp_YUItSlFrOFkxeFU/view) is the most up to date resource on the matter | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzREo5SFc2UzhPemNIQVJMOG1wM2U5N2t4Q0YxUzMybGxlU2FXeU5TSjNMMjRsNG41bURobW9FZmozc1V6dS1qb0syUnFZRjhoUWF3NkFoSFVBOFl3R3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFMHpxNjJCTmQ5Z0JEUV9COWNTZHBjMmVNdjhuWVNiRHlla1FwaFpOSHJZd1lDbXVNMGZSY2hOVHI2TmJ5cEdmc0kwM09vMURINHRpZXc3V3UzOHl6WXV0SG9hcmZ0cWM3RHYtWGVVaHJBdjh1T0w5UjBXU0s0YkZ6ZjBvSzJQOW8yV29VU2xhWmlnQU1FQWhhaWp4a2VncUptWGpHVkQyQThjV2oydHN5OFctR0I5N01URTJuREZqc0ZrVzdsbjNS |
That is correct. We are not funded by anyone, are non-partisan, and are completely independent.
Also: Well put. Cheers! | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpza01JMVBwNmJhYmdmWVI2akswVXJYdDdCdC13TUdGTlhCMm9oY20wOGxoX3JKYTdmVDlfUlRoeWdESFliVVhDWDRGYlE5bFNyRm0wdjB2NXdaVEltS3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFUjRjVzVENTBkbzlySmo2dF8xQXJwQ2hGdTNQbmNZbnFCbnVfNGRVLWpfUGVlQkhDYUhBTzRBYkxVUnhNaVhvazJLS0JsdmRXQWNCRkc0SFN2b25NTlRKX3N6Sk9Nd0UxalpoUHBGTVFaQ3REWGhpX0h6VmJEWXM0Y0RWRHBwVVVfNkhtMTZTemxNTWk3cEwzeUxNTFl0S3M4N0hlbUlQWE4yQmE5VkV2RkxNZFNySjJ4S3l4UkNvM05OZk1PYjlV |
lol.
double lol.
triple lol.
| r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcmZ4VFlBdVVZbWw5OWNWUnpPVF9NMzd2U0pNejhyQjJMdnNWTWVpbGo3TmkwT0J0dThKOGR2b0JNbDYtWmpOaTNnbmNiWmhvXzF3MUF2NnRvNGw1eV9yZXZ2LW0zSmpGLS0xbC0wVENjMWc9 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFUUpQYWxqVFVvd21zRmJLcnc3Um1OZUppWGRSS0l5OHBaZ0lWZXVpLV9OWlNHVFhGUEVCMjRmQ2hwTXM1S2VEUTF4LXkzTmxHUWhCckRhLUxUQVktRmRnS3RXSS1zWG4tOFZGcTZBcU56dEYwQTB2S29KcU1wZHppTGU2QnB4dXZBMGY4Z3FUQ3ZsdzBNNXZtZjdDQlFQVEhsVjI0bHJRcHFHSUd1VkpqZUREQnhlTldHaUtDVkNaZl8ta1JoN0ZIaXZfN1B2NlA2VU5xdF80WE1ESGRRUT09 |
[You Funny Bruh](http://i.imgur.com/jsdZef4.gifv) | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzNTh1VjhpeXpyVmxWOWdWeEsyMDZBQ1JHWE9HaTZaZXRKTWMtV19janM0V3djUkQyMUdzRy1rMTE4R1IyOE5mTEtNNzBfUVl1eXQ2LUZLRDFmSXJmVXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFN2h4N2xWYjdZRF9DcV9LNGcxN19MRVNrY1oxMEpNRXN5V1dNbE1WeC13SGVRcTM2NzJ0MVZDZ3VxTGdvTnVoS1A0SlRVWE1XMTBBM3VLM2ZxSVRSVGNDMXV5TUV3LXJOcnBxaXNaRUx5LWNyOTRNUkhHYU14cXFQOFVrZTZiM2R1MXBiek4xcVluU3VBOHdEN2ZBa2Z6VE9MVDFGSER5RHMwSFZZdWRDU1FwRGt5dGRld00xVm40NjRVcU1jNkxTUUNCeURNOE9DRWNuNlpMcE42Q2huQT09 |
yeah dude no one's buying your bullshit.
it's ridiculous.
You should stop responding it's going to come back to you. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzYVpTMFpyYnRTcTlNd3F0bDdRUXYxTFU2TWFXS1lTOTZfd0pwWFNjSDMyYnBseDJoS1J6RkN3NUM3NUlIWF9OVUpLTEdmYjFPeDRjT2pIX0V0Xzh1bVpfZ2ctX2xRdmg0Sy1sSERLeGZpMUU9 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVlRzS2w1WUs0djgtdWhxczlKZWtkS1BLVUR6V0toN1ZqeXRnZXFuZzVjaHFTWWpSLUJ3ck9ZUnBEWUVQS2dZU2dtNklVMXgxVDVNTUFKbk1sWE5IMThPS2tpOUxzbTR3aEpFcF81LXZmU0lVZ0FIc3FkTlN4VDZWNmU2cjhFdDQ4SGRYQ0VqM3NZQmFGOUJsbktoMEJ4c3F2U0g4dmM3VGx4dzF5SWlXTEkwbkVnRWppdG5NVklzTUR6SkozUV9M |
Completely understandable, I believe suspicion about PropOrNot is warranted. Some people, though, have devolved from a dialogue about the workings of the bot into a dialogue about how MSM needs tags too (not a useless dialogue, but not the one I was looking for).
EDIT: clarity | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzVXdYQ0FpWGY2MVlGN1JnWExhSDJJcFM4eGVLalhJSVF3UzZJem5PU2tGdUZwM1FoaVUxT0ZuNWlVWmE1dGNYMVJJOWdiMHV0WFdwRTZIV0tseFZMcnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWVFVTTZDTjlILTBpUThFbDM0ZjdBM3k4dHNkZ1g1RkhjdGkwaGt3Qm9qZldSaS1QTlpIMGN4N3Vzd2h6UzNlWHM2b3BYVWVEWlFfaFNQcHJFMkZPTlZoVll0VWlpMk9SZ1UtOUJXNEhaclFReUc1eVhUc2dhZ3NmQ0lYQ1dCVWRoNG4tbWpiVk9jdFVEMGVfRXUyS0l1RUNPd0tRV1oxcm5mRl90UlpKWXpSR0xZYTkzU01lQjlhQ0UxVVRMM3Ew |
What about the methodology seems unclear? If it's unclear to you it may be unclear to others as well, and we might want to update our site accordingly. Constructive suggestions and feedback are always appreciated. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzTFdnSU0taTkwZjJMbXFOb2ZOYVQ2aUQ4UU9nMjcxRzRnb0xPODJlZXVNd19kX01YaGNfSGxpVEFOTVlsRGZ2c0NYS3Q4ZlRFajgxNVl6dEpHYlN2Umc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFLXlvX2NBV1FXUkFabmVMMWF5WURHVXJQSkk0NkFidzlDckNwVDBnYWpQVjBrbWpFNzlWRHR2RDJvMnFfUnYwTmg1V3EwWWtsNXcxWEdPUFNpc01GTzlkNGVaZ2VmM3ZmTDFjOERDR3FxNmhsb3VzOUF4bEtlOFYweC1pWEJvbm53Q1l1VVhPTnhrbFVsQ3ByS1JRT0E2X0h6d193ZGdkTkFSUnA4OW1SZ1d2a0hwNmFKRTh2VkRGMGFTOWlTMlV3 |
Ah, I see where you are coming from. The bot definitely only labels sources as "bad" so the inference could then be made that the rest of them are good. Personally, if I were to use the extension (probably won't TBH) it would not deter me from reading any article or guide me to any other one. Instead, I would simply read the flagged articles with a more skeptical eye because the chances of it containing fake Russian propaganda are higher than on a normal site. So I can see the utility of the bot, but I can also see how it could be harmful to the free dissemination of information. I think PropOrNot's biggest downfall (I don't see this bot ever reaching success) was making these accusations too early. Even if the accusations could be 100% backed up, coming out before the evidence is ready undermines the validity of the bot. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzel9JMk5tbWMtNnJLZk5pRy03TExyOEVHbEJ5eE8yZ1VZaDVjWEhzVU9BMGVLVm1FaWlKdjNlVUtXZWpWX0NCS1VTYnkwVWhRX0JuaFJ6WGFib0NDamc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFSkdVVUVHb0ZDb05qWXpCSDhIN0JmSXBtRmxfdXVlSEVsSkNzX3ZPVWRObFlncnRPcXBTZjZINjFlSktIUUxMUUdjdjlzV0ZQeEpkVzVfQzUzQjZ6dzlUUElSNkw0R0N6TVJJeFpOdEZkNkRPcVVIMzlqc1RJRm5BaUdpWC1wT0JpU0xfNDEzbW15UjBNTDhQYlJVNVU5SEYwMFZOSUtCLUp6ODZ3anhkQXprRnMtLXVrckFQelBsVUE4bjRCSWVW |
By highlighting a list of unapproved sources, you tacitly approve others.
In fact on your website you explicitly state the following:
>We suggest NPR, the BBC, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Buzzfeed, VICE, etc
The first two are literally state-sponsored news, and both WaPo and NYT were caught colluding with Hillary Clinton (who also happens to bang the Russian war drums, [while profiting from Russia's Uranium One](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html)). You end the list with two sources that most professors would chastise you for citing in a paper.
>Finally, we are not funded by anyone. We are completely independent.
So why the focus on Russian propaganda? Why not start a project that identifies and highlights *all* government propaganda? Why do you list a US and UK state-sponsored news orgs as your first two examples of "unbiased" sources?
Do you understand why some Americans might accuse you of having ulterior motives besides being a "group of volunteers"? How do you respond to accusations that your anonymous group is actually US sponsored? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzNHl6X1BidDZKS0dLejZTTGhJYzJZQzF2MkpIMlFmODVPM1duc2RST3M5MDBlY0ltcUdmSGczQUc2V0gycTl1aTFWMVBqSTFwaXJ2dER0RWY4ZFRWUWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFaXpiN2haNEJhWDFIRmtMSE9jZDdCRnZXQ0d2N3R3cVVrZkhsN3ZzQk9NYU5pZVJYdTRkMTJjUExydkFWa0hiTjVHd3NQdTUwVGIwRkJpSzlfZWtqb2pwMTFUX3p2eFY0S1Q4eHdJdzB4TW9nWm15ODE2QWNFOUtrUjdzYjF6RGVYQmlTT1hHUzIyeXJfMWVGZjA1c3dzMXg4NnVienRHekkxMDd5eWVaY056VUgzclp5R2NIZXY2dXotMFhjMDB6SzBNU3lCaXhsY3BXMHdWc3BibEhXdz09 |
Seriously, this PsyOp died in infancy. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzekJTRHMwcElTN1ZWVjA2RjlWTjJMSDlXVHRrekdJNjUzQy1iS1JjMmVFdUZ4NzNybG5wMDNxalZQN1V5cGJZVzVOV3FqNnFvTVNfWjQxb05IVWVaM2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWUVsd1J6YUpCNE92dUdPcTV4emxObG5SdE1faWdwUGREU3JIc2lTX0Nseld4UzZ6N0dVenVNNktmY0xVTzRuXzRSM1dEZ2VwQW5QZnVnV0pWR3E4VFRCbG43VTFsbzJINkJRYWFXT2ozVVppRFV6c0I4RDQ2UV9yMW9idUFGc3FLeEwwVU9lSzdwc1g0VWh6dm9RaXltQmxuVWN5SDdfWGlmc29ibjUzR3M5ZHl1MkVucmE4eWYzWk9fWmMteHU1 |
My main complaint would be that you have not published the results of going through your methodology for all of the sites on your list (maybe you have and I have just not seen it). I think doing so would allow all of the people that are saying "(insert favorite non-MSM site here) is on the list, but I trust them!" to see exactly why that site made the list. In my mind it would be similar to the case studies which you have posted but there would be one for every site on the list (I understand this is a daunting task, which is why I suggest elsewhere that perhaps you guys came forward with your information too early). Thank you so much for replying, though! In my mind, credibility is added when you are willing to listen to criticism. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzc3VVM05kLTdaRVF6akc4X3BZd3lSRUFJc3phZlExdDlDNXJNWEdVTnJ1U19TT0dKa1cyazJpRVI3RU5KY0Y0bmdlck9Fd09fN0pXX2x1THdTTzJKWnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFZDJZMXp0UlpPTk5tNnJGTWJEVW5ERXBsVGI3cVo3Sl9nTTFjbHdwN240LVp0ZTZVRFh5N3BKd1BQUTZsT3FrbkFZVzg2aXRtdlBaNmdBUjBXYzhMSk9ITXBRMmNSb2FhN2Fsd1RzYTExTFdiYl9fYVdxUHpqZHFJSUhkeUtKcW5CMl9nby0zYnJnNWpiVWpJSk9OYlNjbzFjdk9qNFVUeEptaW54b0Q1WV9zdkVOVEJ6c0lfWVNLcTV1a2RSRlY1 |
Cold War Think Tank trying to start conflicts in order to gain funding? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzd25rV2tFdFFpY2VrXzA4TDA2VDhyVk9fQ3ZVM1VYcTBMY1lTNElCaEJ1UlNTWGdMUjVLT3VscVFBTklJbFVoZHZmTGdwZ2lDR2kwYnIyelQ4Tkc1cnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFc1RNdVpTWXE3QXNzUDV1R21sWWVOV09veWhvckhNYXpUN1B6UEVPWmlkbEVLSU9Lemg2bUkwUm4xNmpWZGRZNTk4bTh1ZzJDbjBwZU15aTliZEZWdUY1OUgtd3hZdkxlOUQxVzd0bXBZUGN5TnNINWZmMHdBT3hjR0ZqNXNyR0VjRldrbjI5aVg4VHF2TFdlbzlsMXhWVndnOVZCMUp2WnVPcVllT2duSVhkWUhkSTExdUxmOVdqV1E2MmR1eWx6 |
Not to the BS extent that the Washington Post is trying to push. Fact is there are different perspectives to world and current affairs, and the status-quos inability to recognize this and to understand other points of view is exactly why we have gotten to the point where we are in relations with countries like Russia (near catastrophic at this point).
I dont know what their end game is with this, but it shows how they are resistant to change and how they wont go out without a fight over their heavily-groomed neocon love child losing the election. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzbXExOHFvS3FPNGM4QUp3TnI3SzA0SXp6enQxbEVQTTRWZUlmQkFjRy1IM29FcldHUzhlUTQzQnl4STZNdl9uM3l2VjMxYlRPNVJ6d1Nadmk1WEZLUmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFQ01lTzZTaUhLQVdwTEpOY0hnOHBibnRobVEyYmhyNVdpenNONWtUTXhMU29IQjV3ZndwRzNoLTlVOXdpTmlWZXNyWWlKYV9hdWd3OVFuTlMtTEx2VW1iLTl2ZXRoNkpMclFUVlYwWTI3dk91SnR6WVllX2VMakdxUFpQcXRpckp3WkNTWGVMYzdLajFIODk5SnoycE9pRjVrZm9GWmVBRGROWmRqRkMxaTc2OUVXRENlTEtHYTRGYTVJejhIQ0Ra |
It seems like they're trying to ignite some kind of viral movement around rejecting alternative news media sources entirely.
It appears to be backfiring spectacularly, but time will tell. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzYXBkMHpDTUh3ckVRMVB5NExyTzY4Z0VjcURESGFVNm1iNFpTaGE0SkxZTE9IQkxDYm94NGRHb0Z4TzVOUXh3RHFsTVpCZ0g1aUpOeS1nbUtWdkFZRkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFd3RneGQ5bnJCM2x3RnN0emhkRFhyQzhwX0ZPajVLXzdXTV8yb1FMSG5JMFdRYkwwQlV4RUlfRUlOUDJOZkRBT0xtWHd1NnBYNnVETGNVaXVHUmpYbllFNTlHSHUyZnQwaHJHVWdfRVVlNzQyOEI4S0RZWWpLbFNzVjdqXzBfMWJQaUhUbWd1X0o2b0JCc2xIVVZXOENFOFJUczN2WmxXb25GWV9rMWNsQnFsU3dlNllYQ1BxSU0tUjEtZV9kS1ZKdmIyTm5UOUhIZFAzREc5SVRmZ3VrZz09 |
>I would simply read the flagged articles with a more skeptical eye
This is just one of my criticisms of the project. You should have an equally skeptical eye whether you're reading the Washington Post, or Breitbart. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOE9YUnlXUXJnWkU5MUwwZFBOTldTdGlFRDhqY05zdS1xbS1uazZyaHBNWll5dF94bmRwTDVpLUdXWW5Id1RoX1QwdFNxTV9MeVVFOVQweVprSU1TOXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFdGJrY3NTUGxSamlzOXlVbk9PYWVLU0FKaEZWWjBjN25PUi1kT0Z6TngtQ1RRMEx1c28xTHpiWUhXbFpqNks2eTF5RWVqcnRTY1NLOXB5cTBQT1FZdXBZYVBYRWJrWFZ2ZVdZS2xzZWEtbFNQZHpoTGY4VTVGbzltNGJpaXhoRVAwaUxYdUlnVFR4a00xdW9WdHFyTjlGeDVMY0NBT2NqbmJ4UUZCOUJpLVYzd0hCWS13elVEN25fcXBvRlUtdElr |
Fuck you. You'll get your one-way helicopter ride soon enough. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzVlFOTW5EOVNqUHFjX2JCX2VDMGFMRVVhRmNIMjRUVzJNOTJDR0JvUlJzVk9EYzhQVU0zQ0RUUDF4eWY4WDNZVktCUlZFYktEZ280b1lTektrUmY5dVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFcWk4SHBvTDYweTVtQjQxWGlXX3RVN0dsTGUwaXVMaHJlalJBam5xVG5waVJzbF9ZQURFNk5EZ2pISnJHRkFEOTNjNW1Rdk1hbEY0RElxcjhmS0ZpaGFUWnQ0S2ZuSkFXYUVZZ0U5UHQxeVp3RngzM25YbEpIN3hpVFFrblRPVUdXck81LTBNcHhFVXdfVjZBYjltTzVQUWhaQXd0SkczTGxXcXYwTG9qU0ppV0ZFbHhsMkNFZ2l6emY0c05HaTNE |
I want to have a dialogue about the likelihood that PropOrNot.com is a US counter-intelligence operation. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzZ0dPVFFfMVNsT3F2WWVOTm5rODBPcFdrRVVTNFJDOUZ0S2pMZUdZTEpuZGtYUnowbXBYWXhNcTE3T0YxQ0FITmkyZ3kyb2tZN1dIdzF1dTZvbUoyaWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFU0hPdV9NYTU3WFg1eGtNVjVER0hZeVNNNHVOSHJRUkhhVnJZY3hSekZOQi1uSndqeHBHQ0dVLTJzcGpXUTZ0Sm1meE5lanBWVFBTazlycWRSeXJpTExBMlVwZFJiNkRNeUR2YXBwM2E4eWh1ejY2STlIVHhIX0FIRzZtT3I3cmNwYUZ0QWVCZWtWRTRMeW01b1F5WDhWSzBXQWp4Q1h6TlNfajZPZGtHeGlnUGliQW1BNHVSaDdXRlJjdDFoZ0NU |
I think I have to respectfully disagree with you on everything except that "Fact is there are different perspectives to world and current affairs"
The fact remains that the Russian government directly hands false information to its media outlets for dissemination. They do it routinely, and not even in much secrecy. It is far different from simply "a different perspective." It is dangerous, and the media outlets peddling this false information should not be trusted. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzaldnWjBYeE8xU0cxNWw3UDBOUVVqdUJuQmZVNkZGZk9ZWWdPT3RmSGZ1YWpqajlxajFrdHBXMXZKcEFaeVhsaThsaDYwdWtoT19qSVVhT3prNW9oS0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFaFVVM04tbl9Gdi1BaWFobWE3Smo0Z3J6TjhOTDN3QnlXU2dUNy1kbXVuMVpYa3BlYlJVTUxLa3JrVm14TnJEMk45S0JwLWxON3VRVERFUlhaaVNYc1ItRGRkSzBieTF2ckx0eTIzT3pIZUNEMU9BcUw1MGU1SDVGU0ZITmNyanRhby1zY1JtMXJtLWFCcm9WeUxvR2pDQk9WRk1fV21UZm42Q3VFYWd4cnJCcENyYnZKUDRvaWlGaTRBak1qVHdv |
I like the direction you're taking this sub. I'll add to the pot:
[How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations](https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/)
| r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSmpKRlBlajNBcDc0RThUZS1EdHJoVmJ3OWRBRWRpTFNfTk1TalQ3d01JS1hXSW1ZRnJBMFIxZW9MQkg2cXF2U3p0clJISm1MLUxvT2dzc2w1aGRSM2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWnhZb0ZXV0xGdFAzblBQVktrSXdfN3NGN0hYY3ZZNXJuOVhpU0FkLTZkY0dyUjZfY3JjLXhpUFdzanZUZklBMEhwbXNmUGR0b2ZybG5fZ21pT2doaERIaVNOdFhxckJHd013Zm9fUTRiVWM5U19uUlU2R2lPbnZ6TlktTEx3VzUzUWpuZExmRnFBcGc0TVBUU2VDUXdGTk9jVXByTlN3dFlqWld4bWlYaVB4YlhmWUpRYngzOExudU5Pc0tFakp2UExpaUZfM2Iyc0dhakVyT1g3NzRTUT09 |
> We are not funded by anyone, are non-partisan, and are completely independent.
"Take our word for it - our website sucks!" | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcHlHdHdGblZaODFsc1pJanNHak8tMTdtWkpRNEgzcnplS2VrSkdHNERPWDU2ck9OUXhKU1h1djlZc2FvQVNmdXQ4a29hRHRwQnJkMFBNckpPdFFWZlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWjhhVFpHazdXb29VTzM3akNWTV9iTXRKUTM0YTVwa2lqeDk1UEVabFl2Q0tEV1NQcUV2NkhpaEFMZzIyU3F3NDBVMGJ3YzVMOFlZRE9WRC1kMlh5NjREdWhnRlN0RE9veGRDU1dSMU1hVW9VbUZZSndlSlFaSm50MmE5czUyWEJpQzFsSG13MTRncm04SmJCRmZtWVNBdU5iUko4NkM3djhBNDVIdVR4dEhTTGJfZkIweG45QzB0NS1Jc2lMd1hD |
Could prop0nut have been intended as an aid to a Clinton on-deck period? In terms of status quo foreign policy support, and in namecalling sites that have published anti-status quo news and opinion, it would make sense if she had won. Clearly, with consortiumnews, opednews, and others listed -- it's not anti left or anti right -- it's simply for an Obama-Clinton status quo. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcEpWVUJ4bk1US1Q1RHVYRUV5R1F2OHpPQS1KSFdOT3JOckctSXF4bXp2VEl2ajVkUWZsODNoOHlCZ0pVQWl3M2tKWUEyc2c2ZktLRDlpZFc0MldubUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFczVSZ3FzbUVYTjIwcmlUUGk2RmhDMHVoUmhtVVRocXlwcHV5UHlUdzVlbFJkc2Y5emdQdEQ0cW00SmU4ZXQ5R2dSRTdXN2g2cXZOblo4X25wR3BPdWluZWdRU3JuZXQ4eHdOeUJDMDZQdXg4Um5DREZiU2RYLVNSWTN2emZNbnFtYTJkN2Vab3ZaWEFTVzN2UnBXWU12TklMbzZxOVpYS29pNFB6Yy1kQTBHN0VkOXRER3MxOUN3VndURUVqNlF2 |
Why, when I go to Zero Hedge with your browser plugin, are only some articles highlighted and others aren't? For example the one linked was but not many of the others. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpza245SWlNSnB1dkw0ZnlMamNoUEd5MlprS3htdk1RVlZTV2ZSZnJkOXJITERwYTFxRzhqSVJTbzNqaTM4bGFyTnZRcW44N0NjUHNTaGNLYzR2TElQZ1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFa0ZIV2hoSHAybnhkX1FOcHEwR1lkOVVncmtGZ2tIWGJyYTN3Ty1KNzB3YUwwM09oRDV1Z2xhajE3MUg3Qjlrd3NBWUdia2w0TnpWZWp6ek5IckR2WHlHVDhmY1FwcDFVeU96c2llUlNHRVJLM1U2bWFGaXl5NEZRR0ctMjdlRlRMbTVNRS11Mjd1WWREbGhyal9rLXp1VFVxWlNPNVpaT1p1LTFTSDhxblc5VWp2d2JrUE1tT3ExLVd1NTlpLVF1VGh1QUcxUW93cWhpM3JsTUwyLXVRZz09 |
"The first two are literally state-sponsored news"
And that's why it doesn't need to be pointed out. The authorship is out there in public. The problem here is the Russians are trying to slip propaganda in with the background noise of everyday life. And humans are not computers. People will research things and just believe what they want, thinking it's harmless. As a result, people may unintentionally believe and spread false rumors undermining our country. Yes, we have problems. Is it as bad as Russia? Fuck no. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzTEw5eUdGcUdtNXlqdlA4WXFMOU5jYi1JdkNLcU5VOXg0bVVoZXlyV3luQ2Q2SjZUa000dGZ4cGo0RVk3ZGotMTY4Mld4RUpfMUdBZDlkd1FCc0xFTEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFTFZJcW1qVFE0anlyaV9KaUwwOW1XZlFhQTZmQnBWdDZtRDN0UUJ3anZramItV2xrRER4c0tHRkF0d29ic2pkSG9vai05b0xIVUhoaGpLcTBlZlZOMDdRY2xfTU53RlhBaGRMX2YtekU1MnBpei1LZkVLVlVhRVZHLTNLR2V6MVZsUUVWR08tdjk1Z3NaMEdaVDQxVzdqUHVnUnR2VjRTRW9CRUZfTW9xeTRBS3BvSlYtSF9JSEgwZVc5QmFIOE03RnZQYm82eWFJYU5jb3R5eHc3VVZ2UT09 |
Is this a group of rich Silicon Valley nerds? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzY1ZYSzJDRDBqQUFTb2JURkotdGNJUFItc2luQ0xQZ2tWZ2NyeG5GaG5wd2lpdkFxbGUyUVJLa184MHdUa2pxLVV4RDVuV0luOU9MMHl4dW9vakhBSmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWkswWXl4R1BvRklHY09JVGV6RkhRcWFIOFo4bFlDVUY3X2tRbG5OYmFqRUl4QTlWRHpraTdNZTAyMFpFMnRMZloxXy02ZEplUnFJdFhUWW9xTUJCeFd6S1pCUUZiaTQ5aUhhaGN1SFJSMy1OUG43eEdKT3R1QXpCclhieE5kdHVrUUM2QlZ4VTIxZ0xTOTBmeWRaTmtOUFJCRkJsQXowRE5qYV9BY3A0R0RfS1p6OXM1c2c3TDV5V2VPVkd6d3Z1Qkl6NzZBNmV6X2ZpRXhSOVlvNVRZdz09 |
I represent a party very interested in the identities of the "experts" behind propornot. If you have information send me a PM, we're willing to provide compensation. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzeGFqQmlaOHRHN3NicFNwcVUwLWhNa1BCd0VWQ213dWxhZHNGTHJvMXByMm8zV3BEOG5oMng2Q1pxRGZoeTk2a2lreGlTWVN4bXlWYjRsMUxnUkNjMkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFNWV2dWU4V18wVUk1RUMyWUVkNDREcnZhdHJsSlZHeWNvV1VqakxUSTc1ZkxXZmN1clBrZVBJeEVGRnlBYjJKQ2tFRG52c3prWE5SUmoyR0RrNGdpNFRFRGZndDdtQ2pucDJfNEYyaTRzOERGUFpxZDNuVlEzUUhZRzIxbU9yLUNZYk5oY0dtbHhkNXFqMk5vc3BLbkpaVHBEcU1VS3hjLXhaUGl2UVZHSUNWSkNBamNvX3R4aDJUUXh6QmN0bjh0 |
>The problem here is the Russians are trying to slip propaganda in
As are the Chinese, the British, the Saudis, the US, Israel and many others. Like I've said in other threads, this might be a neat project if it targeted all government propaganda - as it stands PropOrNot.com looks well characterized by Glenn Greenwald's article.
It only serves to further muddy the waters of international political journalism by using unpublished criteria and throwing unfounded accusations of "Russian Propaganda". It is absolutely McCarthyism. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzaUgzNzRseThra1ZGdDdqc1FhV0JPZ2V2Nk1CczBjOUdBS3VhdG5hS1U5ekpFWTU1ZXY1TjdndlV1WHlFNm9hc1RmNUhyTW9VdWxKNUI3cWV0c1ZwWGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVDRMTEhlMkMydnEtN2FwMmk0MTk5WGJ5ZzlhSXdoektNSGVmdTVjN3RIcU5IVzh6SUQ0cFJGVmp0TGpJaUVuTVVsYnA3ajNfSEVRWWxhSzUwWTNEcEdSNWRwV2JSZkJDbnlLSEVtdmVVNUdiNkE0akxKMUN3djViWkFsNGwwSjZPajhSbFVxRmxDTHQ4R0lDejZjaWREOWxfZkN5aDhRLUtEdU9pZ2FGLVJyaGtTRlR4VW53cmtvZUI5ajlCR3NyTVBET1VNMW52dkgwOHRjdjdFdnl2Zz09 |
This is where i would absolutely disagree. You should have more skepticism towards writers with less journalistic integrity. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzVmZnMDFDQ3drSHdDa2w3WFEyLVptdmRGQmF6czY1eXlsZDdja29vaVpwZlNYWG5jRGdzZWlhR21uLXJWYnUxMjJ6MWItRUVHWFE0cHQ0SV9OUUhkNEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFMmVCZEh1Y1VrQ1oxenhRRkxYd0VtbWEzdnVXd2NMQW1TX25aZEduYlcyYkFsZnpONV84amJFdlJGSUdvMFZlYVphRGMwdG9YcTJ2aEhzSGhEM3dDVXNHTkRrR0V2NVNOeDF5STdKWTFMbFpmbS05R2U0MjV3S05OdEhlc0UtTmF3ZHNvSEg2QUpKakRHR3JvUEhDSW43NWhMeUhQT2ZlZmtGUE9zS0RBQVdBamVIVHZaRkJxZDZCRkhCVHZaRU1p |
buzzfeed does some investigative reporting. (led by a pulitizer prize winner, since we're making judgments based on reputations here):
https://www.buzzfeed.com/markschoofs/jaw-dropping-investigations-we-published-in-2015
i don't think one good journalist ruins the bunch though. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzeU1HQnRaelBYREtBdTN1VGVPLTBXdjY5aHJhU1VicnFxRlprbXlqLUt2ZUZjLTdUbzF4bHhkMWVCOUg4UXdWM3htVktvRUFIYmVLc0tWZlREVTUteUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVFNGbkRIdEFjRVp1YjdXNmJ1aktUM0lHRjRYVHFDeUZ5aVhPajRyVUJTbEFlaFFrTE1RYVRNY1VSUTF2aW9LazRXY1RoQV80M1JNUXhfRzFmSF84ODFsQ0UzLUx3NC1fWmZ4UUwzdFo5TEpKYlppQjJ2MElPYlg0NUR6R2xzV0I2a3FWckJwN1hCd3FLWWF2Ulh2T1ZrR3ZJNFAzcG96SXR5Wm9Hd3NpWjB0V1h2X0lzX0xPSHVDTkR0QVo4Zmst |
I find it fucking hilarious how a group of amateur Redditors like you guys managed to pull one over on the Washington Post, who was clearly desperate to attack anyone not toeing the establishment line on foreign policy. Truly the fake news is coming from inside the MSM, and hypocrisy of that staggering scale is always amusing. But fuck you for smearing Naked Capitalism, Truthdig, Black Agenda Report, etc. Bruce Dixon has been critical of Democrats since the 70s as a Black Panther and you call him a Russian shill? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzMGdGVWNDVHNWYzJuYTZNODhKV0h0Ry10ZFJmV292c3hFMGpVMXJvTXdjcTdSNFVrSHZxTlA1aU1PMVc3aDZTX2FvNDN2c2hPSzRfaVhsRG4wZGNLdlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFUHRKeG40NUNueDFLZEhYM3BCb25NcmNaVVQwSnM4ejJnMmZjYzRLQTBFMVMwMlNXSkd4dHBLLWNpcFZOUHEtWjljMFVoRGtPUm5seUF3amtrd0lQa29QYnJGYTI4c3lJX1hQczF3YWRFZmtKZUpqWDh5WjVMQlZDMWp3QkNXMlN3ZXo5TW9OZzI1REx4dmtwTWNZSjE4ZW03OWRUTFEwaUtjS1oxR3VNUFRKb3Vodm1zNllBX2ROaGdsSDhSSVB2 |
If we were we'd probably have a better-looking website ;-) | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcjN3Z1NuUXJXUnl2bGtnTlZhWHliM2VrVFdaaDdtY2I1TDVKTUdWb05YOUxzcHBuTW9LTEtJZmEtNGtLcDV2UHJhRUxEbW5EWFR4bDAybk1SblJaZkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFalJRSW9XdGdtdkVOYjZwYWx1R3d1bGNnVFJkZ2VrNFJLSUkweTVxYThlWnU3Z3c3REU2UWpxQjlnNjd0RXN2Q3VWaWJxNTg5NlFqVXdZVWx5TDM3RUNWSFhpQzV0Y1pfZU1wcjFtdmhyR2l0Tk92aDNtdlRlN1ZVSkdDRG1GS1FiekVkd0VtTDN6TDZRVURBVWhxQXdWbkwzRW5ld0V1a1lObVpLN1JNRHVqQVdaT2lIUE95NkIxWDNxakhsYlJq |
Two things of importance for anyone doubting the seriousness and value of ProporNot. This http://warontherocks.com/2016/11/trolling-for-trump-how-russia-is-trying-to-destroy-our-democracy/
and this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzYWREOFpzLWdRRE03YWUyV241RktOcUduU0xzZ28wMHQyTzNBRnh0cnhUT0dadk9rSG5PREV6VFc1YVBEMTF5ZkVmaTlGalg2TEl5MVZ2WVB5NUFZWFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFZnpQVVlkSkJGM0lMZnlSeFAyNVFpM0FxSnVpVUpYUERueFlzV09yX3dyallTZHFldnV1ZGhBYXRZaEFyY3BycmJfY2pKRTFyVWF1ckc2cVl3d3d3S1Rzbmx5c0ZSUUNBVVFEVjJqaGV2cDVXb2RvMTNXN0VteFJIN3RFbFRZRFN2MFVIalAtRWVMMjVheUdsMTFYWjFRbGo1UEVrdmtyOU54VVUzV1ZFTXVrdGdPSEVGX05XRFpsd3pJMnFybWxX |
If the websites in question post verifiable truth, then the question must be asked.
Is the truth propaganda?
Or is it propaganda just because some unidentified group says it is?
I believe the truth is the truth and should be posted.
Propaganda is a tool of governments ALL of them. Sometimes their propaganda even contains a grain of truth.
Its sites like this that make the truth harder to find.
Isn't trying to tell people what is and isn't propsganda in itself also propaganda? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOWtWYWo2TE5NOTV0b3RxcmNpTTNuWVIwLWIwbksyV1hjdjN3eG90M1BaZURkREhlVmtJT0JZWGplTjAzbUY1WUdzUlZDd1BmVXNsNDEtVHJ6ZnRjSVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFNlAtd2pvZGNmZGZHam5JMEF4UGtYRWZORVdaZXNTZzJpZTRlM1lGUG5TMHFtanBHTXcyTnV3cFRlWTlNcE1xRHJDSXV3VkFCVGhFMzlTakJ0VnFSemlmdmNtMnpFTTJRY1pFU19KN3NXZS1jNkhfc1FQXzl3RUlWYkdRU1RjaFV0TWcxNXRpeGhfQkRnOU91QUNGd1o4Mk9uVEI2bXR2c1llNzFVTFlMWlAwNkkwenllTDdpRlhkc0k0dHZtLVpU |
You've said this enough times to be suspicious as well. This is a diversion, you're not answering my question. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzMDdaNXN1c0hRUVVvaG04ZmpyaUpjN3BDenBoc3JzTDVDbHZhY2VCNlk5VkxJR0dUUkxWVFgyZUV0LVlfc3U1SlBXWVg0S3g4TWFQMGJia3ZHNFhfRHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFeHVoYVBmT182N2x1aENwVXFYVFdtTVVPWmdlNl9lZW42R1Y4UkhNVWdBY09nOXBvc054dXlIZ0FZSk5fNUlLZUxmRDJCSzZCd2RReWplUjZ2bmRZeW1RWkM0Q09mVXdNWWc4WkFIbXFDVDBDZkhJcWJGRTlYUkx2Ym1uQlN6Tkp3NHJfalM2TExjbWNJNjdzYXQyVmZqWE1rU3BsczRWMGdLdUVvWE5YQ3hEN1JkQ2lHOTZRSWR6SWZTMmpVVzhw |
The question of journalistic integrity is exactly what we're trying to figure out here.
It's not a given that NYT or WaPo are trustworthy - especially after this election. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzMmRETlVNNXphQlVReWthR0RlOVdwbXUzV2FMeDdvUXk3bGNTYkpvajlfQ3JCVmlNRi1tbzRrTzM4eW5uNTV2Ml9jTmQ3N0lWNlRyUzFjRXM2ZWZ1NHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFYnR3aEt0MTNyX1dGRVB6U2RkOVZwQlFITTJuR1NGUVlDT20xbjVqS01NUXdyMzNLc21oYWdVY0UtTWVlanluMkliNTd1OTBCR19IdU9SejkybmJadGRjRVZpRm5ZMlpaX3hqc0p2dl9qTHAzY2t3YlJpc1g5VFltMjBpaUEwajVoM3BEVVVwejBZc2pLTGlxZHdxZHNLRGFXcTc5cWxJaGhSNmtrQVJmTXh2SkExNVVIUzdKNWZ3bG5oVTVyWnYy |
Excellent article illustrating the hypocrisy and doublespeak that mainstream news sources have come to embody. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOFhDTS14TVFtdFJ1N2dxcWJDRDNmbWJ5R1Bjc2l3a1MxWE9WZVFPRTFCUGk0enQtb1g1V1FJcVpMNkR6UG5LRXF2UE1ZOUdhdUhjWjAxVzlZeVY2OVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWEJHem5ic3FGVW9YMEtfdnN0blVxRFlQbW5nNWcwcUtoUW0tNzJsLTIwc09IdUZKRGVOdkY4eFFlSS1sQWdKaXp4bWtBYVlZaklmczdCM29MOUJUcE9OTk1YcFAyZzBMQ2hEQUVQaGVhSllVMno4LXRxWUh1V2xZRUxpNDB6TEt6dVJxY0NOckZJOWxSQTRIRTExdVZHbjgwZFktRldENHA3ajBDSWtGb1J6cWNobGZKMGM0TDEySmg0SC1OTVBPSUVTdXJ6MHNNTVducjNHWWpVOUZHdz09 |
I think something bigger is going on here - why *did* WaPo eat this up? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzMExLdmdkYjlKdWh1ejNxZllRTGFnaktJX21iUU90WUJudGFPQkN0WWZ4emxBYzk3NjlTUUZRa0wwTF8zN3JEVmtfSzVfZVY3eXpYUnQ3TUcybkhuRHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWDJIOFNJa1owT19fajBXQ2RFaW1ETklqUXVQNUxuMTdRcDAtVkd3SVRIaTc2ZVlvVGJNVFJaZmswS2xIbGNUNXhJRTMtSXhma1ROYThYVzRaVXkwcWdYdmpPTDNrUGZRU09aM0dRX1Z5Rll6ZkpZMFhYWXdOWlBYVEc5MWlwaHZqeWhJOXpIVGR2Z3NTNENGT1RBdGgxb21tSml0eElPT3RQTW9SRk1NSV94b2lIWkhWRE9hNEU2MmJrSmdQZEtL |
They have been here for at least the last 8 years. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzN0lFZWZTUW9sNEpFYWFweHVOanBnY1BfbVRvVVlNWkdYSXc5MzV4ajlTQzRjS3htOC11Nk9lSDVwb19Sc2VSMXdwWUNrYmpBRDRGeXZpV2dnS1ZnOWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFQnFlR1ZHai1qdXNYN19mcnBoWnVDZFVtd1F5RFlkdXhXMm1TS1VvRUVGZnJuYzQxYXpyQ0NzN3N1RWlMczNhNkc0SjhBRW9OZmRmdUhkeGZzeVBpTjZSekFyd2NNbTN4cktjNUpNandfNjhTamZRR0NVNlZoY1psQVlfUV9xSUFtVDRvbFFlOVVBdVNnaFU3RHJVU0RDbE9GOGQ0Mk9SYW12bmRVREhXd3RwbWFoVnJtVThVQ1V5RFhycDYzODg2VlBWUkhyYWVDZm9xdXlhUVlob051Zz09 |
Google's Eric Schmidt was working on the Hillary campaign. You might not be far off. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzM2hUeEVPb2xOdTlrN251QnNSQk9TVEg5Y05Sb1Y4ejVzSXFiVDU5REFUMTFKNS1PVkY2Zm5zZTV1MlNDbEtYYk00NmlCbi1HNGZaV0gzeEh6emV3NEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFTVRDeHN2ajlzaF9nWFI0YnBuUEcxc01IZksyS2J4dTdOQ2J2dTZFZ21HZ1dGdmJiWWhuNTBNMkNaRGVZd0t0TWdyVWZKQ1JqVHlXRXA0S1Jjb3pxUmpaekJ2RUZSOVVTWVREcFRRR0ZBRU5NQXgzNExPZ2xSQ2tlZFpHSU1TYkJ3cHdyR0hlanJDLXJuX0loZEV6bUUyemF2cUdaYTBEb05udl9oRzFsMkRhNjNDVFF5VnBfSFR3TE5LTzJDZzdfOGlPb09pX25ObGtLOWtneWhleTJaZz09 |
Greenwald explains this pretty well.
> The group eschews alternative media outlets like these and instead recommends that readers rely solely on establishment-friendly publications like NPR, the BBC, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Buzzfeed and VICE. That is because a big part of the group’s definition for “Russian propaganda outlet” is criticizing U.S. foreign policy....
> EVEN MORE DISTURBING than the Post’s shoddy journalism in this instance is the broader trend in which any wild conspiracy theory or McCarthyite attack is now permitted in U.S. discourse as long as it involves Russia and Putin – just as was true in the 1950s when stories of how the Russians were poisoning the U.S. water supply or infiltrating American institutions were commonplace. Any anti-Russia story was – and is – instantly vested with credibility, while anyone questioning its veracity or evidentiary basis is subject to attacks on their loyalties or, at best, vilified as “useful idiots.”...
> Indeed, what happened here is the essence of fake news. The Post story served the agendas of many factions: those who want to believe Putin stole the election from Hillary Clinton; those who want to believe that the internet and social media are a grave menace that needs to be controlled, in contrast to the objective truth which reliable old media outlets once issued; those who want a resurrection of the Cold War. So those who saw tweets and Facebook posts promoting this Post story instantly clicked and shared and promoted the story without an iota of critical thought or examination of whether the claims were true, because they wanted the claims to be true. That behavior included countless journalists.
It's a combination of factors, but clearly 1) the MSM feels pressure from alternative news sources and wants to push back, even if that means engaging in bullshit conspiracy theory, 2) the MSM has never liked those who those who go against official US policy (see Chomsky's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model for more on that), and 3) we have a shitload of lazy, click-chasing journalists who spread this stuff. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzZ09fejFyYWxIRk1NczdSQlQ3cS1ERDJHXzJWLTN6SnlpaVFTSHU4b1psNml5Y3IyR3RzSC12NU5IaXVnY3hLN05CQWxfdEswUTFuSndONWRULWowbGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFem5vOHRlSC04NEltZ3Q4WGRPeDVhdk82YVRPX2h0VHNwMDdTSXF3WXJvNHM4aHRodWQxMFllcmtHTGhlSWVidHVVS2FrU3EyMkJQdjJod0F3MGdfazhXN3o2VUFFbWtTekVVeG9mLW5GYld4WEpNclY1U3FFSkZJXzZxM2FxV3BmVENKRFo5NzRacmI1cVpNN3dQUzVweU0zdXZvdDNfU3Jka20zLUc5WUQyOVRYX2Q2cVgtVnBCMlh6MW4yN05r |
> WaPo
> owned by a multi-billionaire
> "left-wing"
Yes I'm sure bezos is a huge fan of socialism, that would really make sense. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzU2dBelRIY21MLWNHdFQzaGdJUlMybnhScERPdURCZGxHUDFRTHdNdHJtZjZSNklhdkhrV25tV2JiVWRSRW1ZdzJnamFKMmxpTWZRaDVBUjYycVR1R2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFanktTUE3eGEzR3otc0FHaGJBVkREOXU3V21GbUdKLWlDV2NmYzBzdE9rMjlVS3B2RG96aDNTUWxvYTlmajBmU0wwUnY4LTFEYXZHVmsySUlZVHVreGNZM0UzUU1sbmppc1VJdk5DdkZMTlJJNEgtcllUanhMUG1fZFFrSHA3OGtkNkpPUVBfX0ZuVnZOS0N2Uk5MWWI5eGtLNF9qeUZFSGY5ZDh4MUpNUl9fUVVhQ2FNWVh3MzRMQndfWEFrN2FN |
>Luckily for us THE MSM UNCOVERED THIS
Rather, the US news media parroted White House press releases without any journalistic analysis. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzZ2dfVFB6RXEtOThpWnlBdU02aC1NNDB1UUJ0S19tTmJEMjZkejgyMm5lVDdDcDdaNVpRbjNKbDgzNVNTUXNZMUNnX3E2LXBwczVRTC0zdXh2X2Vldnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFUm9LaGdLeDc5MnpLUERUM1BPTy04QjZnN2phd1MzVnFGVnhsajZfVnFfbXRRbUpmZFdCQVByV2ZMa0tVWnlVamd0REtNRmpFWWp6Ry0xQldpdHh5SkVoUklWUnNhSzlKWi05NEFDMXVXYkUxZHRCZjhJajdweU9rVGpiTnRnVnhWYzI0NVZsdFNPbjk5ci14MEpLaVFhR3FZRzJoU2FKY21aLVpQZjdma1o3VUtMeXp0ZUoxeW1fMGhxalFaSVBl |
Nothing Wikileaks released was false, and I think all those leaked emails had a much larger net effect on voters than any "Fake News Russian Propaganda™" could.
Donald Trump is a chauvinist and a terrible presidential candidate, but Hillary's collusion with the DNC and mainstream media is the reason he won. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOHdVb09EU1JzRm1aeUlvb3Q1V2hjaTI2b2VmMl9YTmpES0JxMUp6WTFDNTBub0s0cksySTBpQUJzMnNfcnN4SDZPM3N1RUtrbi1hZkNDQldBTk9udXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVTZkVUhzRlgySTZ3MVB0dGpWT1VDMGxTTzZiV0ZpNTlTUmlTRWx4NU1LQ0w3TEE0ZkUzRFhoYXFvQ0dydkhEWFphaUxKdUxVU1pzZjBuWWdoTzMyQ295LW9XU254cFdqbVNuQU8ycVUtZ09CZWFMbTFkZXdtQmJzVU9UR042RWxSc1BFcURzN0Q4Sk9zRUdHX19EN3VhcFNydTFZTndMWHU1S3I5enF6a29yd0d6RlFIMmotLVQ1SEJXN1g2a3dz |
I think you are correct. My suspicion is that this is the work of Randroids. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzMU9mTDZoSHFnMTlNeTFTTnZaNmtQeExNTTJCWnhIbmstVDJrMU9YeEpvMG5DRmVybWt4ajg4NjR1dHZkRTgtZG9lLWJSQmJ3cFhzR0hWbl84cGFiLXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFRVJGVEMtQkpDczk3aHNiVFd6ek53cG9MdXU2ZHRUanNDZElfUTlZZjJhcFBRblJRYUNKYVdtdmJzVmNkZWtoQVNiNlZEb080ckI2LV9palVhbkNHUm5yWUpUZm4ybmRxRzIzSWJMOURZQWoyYl85eXdxLXRLdkR1cG1lRmZFS0tRTDFwbm40bkRYQXJDcDd3TWY4STJDeXV4RGhZODctX251QXctNEV4b2Y5ZldsVTVXWXUxV0FBSDBMaE9GMENtVlhMNGhBQ19hbGxSRnpIVFNod05sQT09 |
Russian propaganda totally exists and is definitely a problem, but here's the issue: propornot is shady as fuck in and of itself and seems like just a tool to slander news sites msm outlets disagree with. Here's a great article about this shadiness: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/
The tl;dr version of the article is as follows: basically nobody knows who the fuck runs this site and why washington post suddenly namedropped it in their initial article that brought it popularity.
Until we can figure basic stuff like this out, how do we know that propornot isn't just propaganda itself against conservative leaning alternative news outlets that WaPo is using/maybe even created since we don't know who's behind it to discredit other news sources? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcWpoOU42WW5FcjdnNXBrUG5Tdml2c3JibnVMOHNVMC1EY2ozZjg2cHdNSllzZWdkNjR5bzhoa1dEMzU4cl9XeWZlamlXWmZ6a1NjQ3Y4OGwzcmtYM0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFay1pc21yX3hGUFpCekxRdERPZXJhVk5FdVlDdlNYNFdKcnU3V1dKWXhIb1AxTTQxdG04YU9FX0VkMUxTVXU1Y3ZaSmE4MTV1ZTd6RkFiVkwwNkVhVmNkQ0U4WEZJZjhyR3pfakkwTlo4SDNfNzNJM3hVQUg0dFd3RzBWTjRtbXcxcXRsWE8yalg1RDlTNXUybjZBTjB5MnQ0V2RZeXBDb3BITWhoVjJfVDRTVEFkVnFxekVZejlaaXNtQzZVV1VX |
You make some very good points.
Releasing information that certain people want hidden can be a form of propaganda. Remember that propaganda is most effective when it has a grain of truth to it.
Governments, corporations, and yes even individuals engage in propaganda all of the time. But then that depends on what your definition of is is.
The best defense against propaganda is verifiable facts!
Telling people that some source of information is or isn't propaganda without that verifiable truth in and of itself is propaganda at its most subversive level. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSVBFLUU1cEVmQVAwdmNtaG9DYmRsSVE5Ml9jWUFfbzd4X0JhdFZHdmFLOHFVaDJ6WEdvaTZmVnlFcGtnVzNxYWZxTzVNaTI3UkV4OGhGek03bG9pZ1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFc2QzQXEydEtsdXlkUERjRWdtMkpWbDVSSENTdTVvNXpFUWRXTi1aZDJ4VXRtVHRyNHlPX3Z5SVRCb3FfTFJzck9wemN4TWN3aExCYlBOWWV3RWM0YkdjUGlqajM4SXh0OUxEbkw5RmhIeklMbkk0UFpXV1pfa3ZiU1B2TnNHNjV3NHh0bFJkeWQ2R3c1bDRsei1CZDFQMDQtNklUaGRQbDh1SDBaRFlYUjgxdTVHNkM0YUVMYlhwY0t0Yl96aVNi |
This is totally propaganda, and totally "witchhunting". However, reddit is in bed with the elites, so they won't shutdown this subreddit, because it's a witchhunt they want. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzTXcyYUV0dnRHVWNHTjZuaWZvWnN0WjhxSG9Hc1N0MWVfWnI3UGhvYkNaQ1ljamM1NlY1by1UQTN6d1RreFFHeUNnOVczLTQtY2g2ak5CeEFGLXV5Snc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFTGdjbnhJQUlaUkNjd2dsTzVxcVpsX2ttbmxTb0k0WU5HYjdsem9UWWliSTdYZWczYlN3ZDJhSFpINXBvaW51Y0dabGlKRkZ6aV85X1FLdUYwVFFndzl3akNaV1BDVnRrVkFNNlFSOG1IblhwZlduYlI1NnhyWHhPRmdIcnVYWm1NaG5kVmtxeFpEdlFNYU1xdWhrbFVuQUg0MHJLejRPVnUyTC1wLW8xWkE2UnVRZXM5YnFfZ0xnb1ZQTWlybm9w |
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Pretty questionable how you deleted every post asking any questions or criticizing your methodology. Not really in the spirit of transparency to do things like that on your sub. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzTHFrWk91T3JPUENsZWV5ZC1QRXJTNlVsRjlvUHUyRGlVVFhuVkVEV2hjZ0NxeEJDaEl3aGlKM01fMjk1eWtYQTNZZFRvUXNLX21lMVZBUXpvLUZyVUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFb2w2R2lERFJySVhvV2h4bVNqX0xBYzc1dUJjYk9TLTlob2lnc003V3RMZ3ZRRGI4RXNLMkQ1WlpCQzRMNmxtZXBuN1U4S1R2SzFENThELWdNRU56WlhfNi1CUmJkMGJoLVZnY2VrTDFFR2hQZ01GVlJTTEtvdDlEanA1STlfZFBlOFZpUjhhZlF1VlVUazZlX09TT2pLYkNKaG54M3poUE9QM2FFUWtUTTAtQmp0c0FuNGpNcWt2eGRRM3JfWUs4 |
You got props on corbett report. Keep up the good work. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzS19tS3NSbmM3dkM3VUZtWGpXSnA1SXV2SXlSMUdreS1URlJTSG5zNmFBTnpyeEZPNmRYaXMtemR5RDlRWWgtU1ZnMkRUdExYMHM1V09DNDRGb3ZYWVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFMllrRWQzWjlLN1haOTI5Y2xORFpZS2lCbVBreV9DSlRTbHIzMUpva1RDRnFKQmRZOHk3MVE5dGRFYmtaWHQwNnB5RGlsd3ltamJMeU9obUNuQi03bGZCTHpTTHFub3dqRTZkczF1djJ6NTZFWGpOMDRSS1g0VXZheURnN2lWQTFiamRFdzF5TE1WQW0yRnc4eVYzMkxBRTkycjdjcG1vdlVIVXFNbDBscWNiOHRybl9FM0ttZ2lGOTJXM0tKNUMx |
There is absolutely no chance that this subreddit will not be downvote flooded by the Russian, alt-right, and other trolls. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzR21CNkFsZGV6RUMtTm1zQXdyeFdTN2Q3QlFjRGpHTGoxaEtURkN6RXBWZExIUzkxOXcxNi05aW03dWpuUjB1NnZBdjI5S3BXMVpON2VjNVdacjI0V2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFRHpjN2d4aUZ6YU5ZV0ZNOGFyOHVxYlgzaERrWk40SmxLd05kcUdGOVBtRFNYUzBhTWQ2Q0t1QmVQN1loV3hPckh3aU50Q3hadGpGOTBsU1BuZnJxNEpza0pfaVpqd1d1SjJ4MXdPVTBMYmMwaFJKbFFNeFFkMllIb1VONWltdEpGekRoaVlrWXdLdE1uV0l4WEJkX09kX3lLNjdpdlNjUk11REN5TW40OU1GVzdreVFYMUxMcmVmNVE1elFqbnpDSEUzWUxadkIwbGV0RVotMVYtcTA4QT09 |
The below is a synopsis of a paper I have written which was accepted for publication in an information warfare related journal. I thought some of you may find it interesting, or might discover connections which I myself have not. For fear of overburdening this post with links, I have not included them, but I have a bibliography of 50+ sources I would be happy to share.
1.) Nostradamus was the #1 gaining search term the week of September 11, 2001.
2.) The evidence is that the interest was created by chain mails and text messages which were sent during and after the attacks. Many of the messages were "fake" Nostradamus prophecies.
3.) You can examine Google Trends data since 2004 in order to see where similar spikes in Nostradamus interest have occurred, and when. You can see what events and searches were correlated with these spikes.
4.) In World War 2, both the Allies and the Axis powers used Nostradamus as a psychological warfare tool. The allies dropped pamphlets about Nostradamus on the Nazis, and the Nazis also wrote books that said they would win which they distributed in places like Belgium for example.
5.) Nostradamus was not well known in the United States before a British translator named Erika Cheetham began to interpret the prophecies of Nostradamus and sell them as books. When they were first released in 1965, one of the most notable of these prophecies was that the death of JFK was foretold by Nostradamus.
6.) Cheetham's books were later revised to say that Nostradamus prophecies explained the death of RFK too -- or the rise of the AIDS virus. She also used the prophecies to predict nuclear war between the superpower countries.
7.) Two of the most well-studied (and proven) Soviet Disinformation efforts were that the CIA caused the death of JFK, or that the US Government / CIA is to blame for the AIDS virus.
8.) Erika Cheetham was connected in college to several figures who went on to be public "Marxists" and advocates for Communist causes. One of her college acquaintances was the nephew of British author Graham Greene.
9.) Orson Welles was a famous blacklisted American actor and director. He was named to the "Red Channels" list. The FBI suspected that his movie "Citizen Kane" was pro-Communist and intended to influence public opinion. They could not prove it but they listed him as a communist and threat to national security. This caused Orson Welles to leave the US in 1948.
10.) In 1949, Orson Welles starred in the movie "The Third Man". The movie was written by Graham Greene. One of the uncredited script contributors of the film was Hans Peter Smolka. Smolka was determined posthumously (late 1980s/early 90s) to have been an associate of Kim Philby, and is sometimes called the "6th Member" of the Cambridge 5. Evidence has emerged that the movie is actually about the exploits of Smolka and Philby.
11.) Graham Greene was known himself to have communist or Marxist sympathies.
12.) In 1981, Erika Cheetham's book "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow" was made into a "docudrama" style film starring Orson Welles. In this movie, Welles claimed that an "Islamic Antichrist" would attack New York City with Russian nuclear weapons.
13.) The emails which were sent on 9/11 and seemed to make people interested in Nostradamus followed the pattern of several contemporary cyber threats. There were viruses like SirCam that had stolen documents from the government of Ukraine and the FBI cyber protection unit. Other viruses like Nimda and ILOVEYOU had mass mailing features, and in the case of ILOVEYOU cycled several different messages. There was a surge in noted Nostradamus texts in the Philippines on 9/11 where at least 2 of the prior cyber attacks had originated from. The main worms which preceded and followed 9/11 (CodeRed (July 2001)) and Nimda (September 2001)) had code in them which implicated the Chinese as being guilty. Some researchers noted "virus mating behavior" with some of the viruses, and some of the earlier viruses created backdoors which were exploited by the Nimda worm. Nimda was highly sophisticated and hit one week after 9/11. It was suspected to be an act of cyber terrorism.
14.) Experts had advised the US Congress in June 2001 that only Russia and China had advanced cyber attack capability and Al Qaeda did not, though they were technically proficient and used modern technology. The same experts advised that Russia viewed viruses as "combat multipliers".
15.) At the time 9/11 occurred, massive Russian aerial exercises were ongoing. NORAD had responded to these with "Operation Northern Vigilance". When the attacks occurred, Russia stopped the operation in what was interpreted as a sign of solidarity with the US.
16.) Putin was the first world leader to contact Bush on 9/11. He made analogies between the Moscow apartment bombings of 1999 and the September 11 events. He provided intelligence about Al Qaeda to the Bush administration.
17.) Putin had apparently warned the Bush administration in June 2001 about Bin Laden and Pakistan/Afghanistan border situation. Putin's FSB director claimed to know location of Bin Laden up to the day of the attacks.
18.) Murdered FSB defector Alexander Litvinenko alleged Putin had blown up the apartment buildings and not Chechen militants as claimed by the Putin government. Later research has confirmed this hypothesis in the scholarly community.
19.) Litvinenko alleged that Al Qaeda operational leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in 1997. Zawahiri has admitted being held by the Russians and the Russians have admitted holding Zawahiri. Both sides made "miraculous" claims to justify why his identity was not discovered at the time of his supposed incarceration.
20.) Al Qaeda only started attacking US-aligned targets in 1998 with the Nairobi embassy bombings.
21.) Google Trends data analysis shows that a similar spike in Nostradamus interest occurred in April 2010 in Poland, corresponding with the deaths of the Polish executive government in Smolensk, Russia. Many Polish people believe there is evidence that Russia engineered this event.
22.) The Google Trends data shows that a spike occurred in March 2014 in Ukraine at the height of the Russian-backed annexation of Crimea.
23.) The Google Trends data shows that a spike occurred in August 2015 in Hungary at the height of the Syrian migrant crisis, an event which NATO says Russia has "weaponized migrants". Hungary's leader is also very pro-Russian and makes political "points" off of xenophobic propaganda.
24.) Today, if you Google for ' Russia AND 9/11 ' , you get a lot of sites which seem to advance a "false flag" narrative. They talk about Putin preparing to release "satellite evidence" of a false flag attack or "inside job". These sites like globalresearch.ca and veteranstoday.com are patently clear Russian disinformation sites. Other sites like ZeroHedge advance similar anti-US conspiracies. RT.com's own show "Truth Seeker" aired a show just before September 11, 2013 which claimed 9/11 was an inside job by the US government. RT is well regarded as a state-owned tool of Russian disinformation / propaganda.
25.) It seems to be clear that based on the historical evidence and the forensic data that Russia has some clear "informational" involvement with the events of 9/11, and that in all likelihood, Nostradamus prophecy is a manifestation of Russian disinformation based on how it has been prominently used to parallel the death of JFK/RFK, rise of the AIDS virus, and collapse of the twin towers/inside job conspiracy theories. | r/propornot | post | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzaTBXNlFUMUFDaWZ1R3J4d2NFYXZjM2dfd2ozbS05N3BscHNZTi1ZRkZ4X25yVzJZOS1CS2V0N2t3Y29xVUJFSENUUmhVOHhDT05zWTVIcmIxWmtqQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFYWhDSTM1bzkxWlltbVBBV3M0QnZvandESlhtdTF2c2FhNDAySS1kVG4tX05WYnZHUDQ2OWNnY2ZTQ0oyQjhOVGFxOWt3NWVrSk9wUDFsbUJSX0dITUJPUXU5OUxMYjRuTm81aGxuMG1Ycm55QTRxY2pkZm5NZkFxTmlnTVFRSTEzanVhTDdzQmtBT0JvOVRxVFJSU1Z6N29IVHY3dnNQRDRncDVvMjlGX0FIQVZ4WTJ0TWQ4U2liby12d0VENHk3 |
I'd like to point out that sites you've identified like HenryMakow and GlobalResearch.ca claim "War of the Worlds" was a CIA-predecessor mind control plot. This paper considers that Russia will often blame the US for Russian intelligence activities as "false flag" operations. However, if you look at the history of Welles and consider his contemporary Communist party connections (Otto Katz, etc) in 1938, it seems unlikely that Welles was doing anything other than testing US defenses or playing a dirty trick on America. At least that's what Welles' history and modern day disinformation might suggest. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzWmc0dUZoRjBUWkdpYlh0TUJIQkQtSG81TFpHbFpycG5IRFhrUXZqVlNCVFV5ODFwdVNsU2QwWFkxemtiUUUtNDN3c0tndi0xbnJBd3NGalREbTFLNGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFNXNyRWJKTUNUakhTbjVVek43WDAzUERPc3I1SXNtTjY5R2o1dUpqOFJBZ2pEaUhDUmI0OWcweW5fSjJ2UnB2dmcxUXdra3ZUWTFpbExXZjlpYWxrb280MzlzbzhoMm96WHp3VTE3ZkEyWTJqUk5oWnFDZVU1TTVyWUJBdlgyNlhWR0k2RFVxQjVaczRoVW5ZN05KYzBWeVQxTGFySlVwUXo0MGYwR09pRGJhejhJOUl1cjFHUDBMY012YWItQnZpZ0ZYNXA3TkxJemdXMlBOVGJVb1RJdz09 |
It's a very simplistic view.
Take into account that this propaganda is not your usual information. It's designed to both silence out some news and exaggerate other ones. It's not about the type of entity that funds particular media. It doesn't equate to inaccuracies, incompetence, wishful thinking, confirmation and other bias, mistakes made by journalists, media policies and such. It's not even conspiracy theories per se, although they might come useful. It's not by any means "propaganda" by media who break the silence instead (the Soviets learned local news, silenced out by officials, from VoA and RFE/RL, disclaimer: I was born there). I wouldn't even use the word "propaganda" for what RT and the others are doing, it should be called "brainwash".
Unlike regular news, the approach is from the other end - the user. And it's not fake stories here and there, it's a system. It's not all lies, a quality brainwash is 90% true (although, big lies sell well too). The idea is probably very similar to shady marketing, a sophisticated scam, as it's about selling "impressions", not products. The old Soviet Union was peddling the world communist revolution idea. The Putin's Russia cannot sell utopias anymore, but peddles cynicism (and hatred to some) so you destroy your own system yourself. It's the same shit all around the world, corruption everywhere, everybody lies, everybody uses propaganda (watch for trolls in comments), anti-propaganda sites are propaganda, anti-fake sites are fakes. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.
(Reading some of the comments, wow. There is an entire squad of "bots" sent here against this PropOrNot). | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzbnBkSk5tSDdsM19LWGU0NC1VdU8wdDZ6bDFyUTkyS09Ha1dEc1lwd0ZMOGxaSG8wYldyeTdXWmY1dEVCVU9CUXdmNDU1WUJ0cWpaMjlkWG5BMEVuVmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWHBVN2JFQ2xLd2lxQ2p3T19nVnFGcERveXRoR1VBenQyV0dYVmVUTk1SX3NBbEhSV0ZQRVpqVnZEZWR4NFg0aHNVWnJ5Q05mcXNwVWN2RFI5Qm1sNmhRaEUzOV8yUHdSb1B0UWxyX1UtNGdON0ktZzNiNXRXakdIcDVlQXNGOTNNNU1RYWFpNUdlbmFaRlg2N0twa0wxRHVYWE02amdTTklaTHZsM19vbEwxWW9obGZmYTNRUEI4QVE3czR5SEFP |
Some ideas for you guys to help allay some of the criticism:
Consider:
* Site specific reports, downloadable as PDFs or viewable as individual pages on the PropOrNot site.
* Use a variety of tests.
* Show which tests each site has failed and which tests it has not failed.
* Ask whether the site parallels proven Russian disinformation like Operation Dragon (eg CIA Killed Kennedy) or Operation Infektion (eg CIA made AIDS).
* Does the site present NWO, Jewish Banking, Illuminati conspiracy theories as news or editorial content?
* Does this site present stories about Nostradamus or Baba Vanga as news or editorial content?
* Ask whether the site claims 9/11 was a false flag operation?
* Use key time events to analyze stories from a key time period tied to Russian activity. Eg. the 2013 - 2015 period when they first denied invading Ukraine, then admitted to it. How might these sites have changed their propaganda as the official Kremlin line has changed?
* Discuss the methodology for some tests.
eg: Google ... site:sitename.dom ((Trump AND Putin AND Obama) OR (Ukraine AND Syria) OR (ISIS AND Syria) OR (Russia AND Ukraine) OR (Ukraine AND Maidan) OR (Obama AND Muslim)) and see what the headlines for the site read like. These are just examples, and I would reccommend your refine further. Take the first 31 headlines down (eg n>30 rule of large numbers) and qualitatively analyze them as Colin Lokey suggested for ZeroHedge (well before this "unmasking" I found it a very effective Google filter methodology:
"By his own account, Lokey was writing as many as fifteen posts a day, among them most of the political pieces. The gig had a certain formula, he told Bloomberg: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.” For Zero Hedge, Syria was a special obsession, a sign of the essential strength of authoritarian regimes and the weakness of democracies. (“Putin Is Winning the Final Chess Match with Obama,” one Zero Hedge article claimed last fall.)" (source http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/is-the-alt-right-for-real)
* Use techniques like "web site x rays" to tear sites apart and analyze their content. http://www.jibberjobber.com/blog/2014/01/09/do-deeper-and-x-ray-searches-on-google-to-find-unadvertised-jobs/
* Have some proprietary tests which are hard to game with general methods or tools discussed but still kept somewhat confidential.
* What percentage of the stories on this site are related to any of the above ideas? How does that compare to similar "Main Stream" news sources like CNN, BBC, etc. from a percentage or proportional standpoint?
* Show whether a site has an editor that promotes these ideas.
* Show whether a site has specific authors that promote these ideas.
* Show whether a site is simply dominated by users who talk about these ideas.
* Show where the website gets its money, if possible.
* Show what other sites carry the same stories / backlinks to the site.
* Update these results periodically.
* Only make probability based judgments based on your stated methodology and be sure to put the sites in terms of gradient
* Allow sites an opportunity for redress and be willing to post their official statements.
* Meticulously store the data in ways which makes it easy to feed into statistical analysis tools. It is a pain in the short run but a time saver in the long run.
* Be willing to work with the internet community to modify and change your rating methodology for these sites to continually refine accuracy of the analysis.
* Develop crowdsourcing techniques other users can follow which you can quantify. This will involve them in the site and also show them with their own eyes. The proof is in the pudding. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSXd6Smt5eU5JWDZBNmY1MnpLM0dCUUszbklEVU5OWGxiOVpHSWN3TmxyTERjTm90cHFOT2lnN1JFN1U1MEdRWFNELTd3V0VOMjREbVNJNDNVbEFpVUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFYW5RZGJvS0g2MjBxZFctWFJvNTU5MUN2Mi1uaW9NbV9VaHU0T3JCdUlGM2dkTzBJek1XcEhxdHZ4WWJhUFFSMFdYSDM4OG1mWnNmRlFta0FCd21qbzFjRTQ5dDB5TTFBRkFEWWVHSzVmZlA4V3MwQl9VOTdkNnphQXhXRHdnWnFyZ2F2YkZBaTdWRWZHc3lJS3E5QzVhTnFpaWdHdmlGcnc0QlgyREVmNzRnNFkwdDFtem91bjBUbVV2QkpaSjMtTVE3V0NwbFU4UW1oZHVaWFpSUkdudz09 |
Your list is making waves and coming under a lot of scrutiny. Is there a way for could make available sort of a "trigger article" list for each entry?
Something like your table on the home page but for the rest of the sites. For example, I see someone like truthdig.com claiming this is a new red scare, but I would like to be able to easily see which of their articles flagged them for your list and make a judgement call on my own. | r/propornot | post | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSGEwb0pEWjlNMTRfS2NYX3JDMFA5YWU3aV85dW95eXlZMmVnQ085cDU4UUlrWkdKbV9MdUx5WWNQNUpwRVZFY0ctcGd1Wjk1VVpHVHZWM0EtOEVfV0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVV90cXNGYjIzeHFmSnFPUnhFbS1YMmlVU292SjRMODQ1ZHU4TnBZcHAxZ0FxR1RhN3E2bU1wMHpvOENqRXBrSkdxeUlLZWZGY1NLMHN5elQwT0ZxVWt4bzROX3VnUGhOaTRJeWRLUDE5TkRPRS1xUXhFM0V6MGNacUhmcUhMMEdXVkNzZXY5WjdvTTdzalVtNUhxWWp5WE1ZWDVvT18yMC0xVWFGZnV2eENJPQ== |
Anything regarding Jill Stein has a good chance of being Russian propaganda...
Look at it this way, she was sitting at the same table as Michael Flynn at the RT.com gala. This puts her in direct proximity to official Russian propaganda.
Stein is ultimately calling attention to the "corrupt" system.
By fostering a recount situation, she is increasing the animosity between Trump supporters and Clinton supporters which is preventing post-election healing.
I see the ZeroHedge piece to be capitalizing on this animosity -- which could be intentionally generated in order to sow discord in American politics.
(full disclaimer - voted for Hillary - but that is my gut analysis seeing both Jill Stein and Zero Hedge as intermittent tools of Russian propaganda.)
| r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzZjFyaWVtN0NOSV9uOXJkTjhMUVJEN3NDOEE4ZWJPM1hrNWNPRHh2MEw0NDJpb0g5RURfX3E4ZndRVkFTMnJnZ1dIbFVSeTlEdTZUNEFRWXEzZHZxVGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFeVNEQzZnNDFfTzQzTk4zVWRyUXRZRFhNTU9LdFhXUVFGcHlKeExhZkloQ0cwbmtPbnhiOTQyNUpTbXo0V0RMTVRRWFROR2FFQjdfTXNXdFUxd3Q1bVVJYWU1ZzhmYmF4dFZVV1FIOVlqZVpQeTBiTjNtU3dBZ2g5TEFzbVNfZlhpd1YxT3dmTEhCYzctMklDb2tPbHJsb1VXTzh0Rl8xLVRocDIxUUdWTzZVd3JqY1hLMlV1N0FPc1ZhR3BCbDhtbk5uaC0zTVdyZm5DN0N4WkpVRGJZZz09 |
Totally neat idea! It could create a very elegant information graphic. The graphics in PropOrNot's first public document were not as attractive or easy to interpret as they could have been. When describing and mapping a network, a few of the right pictures can be worth a great many words. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzRWVmM2RwUTZCdnVDcVRkWXpIYVgtREdKWlVsZWs2azJCdWJUQl9VQjlOVnJPc1FmMGpUR2tvMDRZTjlOdmNkSnBSTVVkalZydl9ZTlpTSFlrWGpqN1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFRzBuN09aNi1wM1FmVHN2V1RIRW1QcVpTeWZvTmJleDFnRkxzSUxHdE1YbFYxTUhCdW5VclY1elZoTWhEUGxLeGZSNGUzNFM5RUxFNHU2SjJDRV9xVVN6aXZoT0IwUGlIekhDRy1NdXFOLXF1clJ2QlFINXBXN2xxTVg0bXdoc1V0c0Rram9FQUt4YjA4RzVSZkhZaXNLZDJSQ1lCOWphaGNSeDVWaHVCNEVIbHd5Z2QtRHBOakZTT1BWMy1YQ3NKcVFrNjB2SUFyUU9tX1QyRVBvZ1IwUT09 |
I haven't seen any attention being paid to YouTube channels, but when I looked at the example of 'manual propaganda analysis,' HangTheBankers.com, I found that one of the main articles on an economic subject included an embedded video. The video was an interview with Jim Rickards by Lelde Smits of 'The Capital Network,' which has a lively YouTube presence. And which even cursory analysis—Googling for other videos with Lelde Smits—quickly shows to be very much a part of the Russian disinformation ecosystem. Google's 'Related Channels' feature shows as one of the 'Capital Network's' top associated sites … RT! Then it turns out that Rickards has been interviewed on RT. And that 'The Capital Network' also has another show, or identity, as 'Modern Wall Street,' on which the same woman, Lelde Smits, interviews the same man, James Rickards.
This is all totally changing the way I look at a lot of the unexplainably weird crap on the Internet—seeing how many 'prepping,' conspiracy, and something-catastrophic-is-coming websites are in fact part of a mappable network, all of whose member sites convey, as chaotically, repetitively, cynically, and confusingly as possible, the straightforward message to residents of the U.S. and the West in general: 'You Are So F—d!'
Maybe YouTube should be its own project? | r/propornot | post | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzd29saDgtS2lCN2RFbmc3cVN0ZlBNb1YteUFING9GcThLRGptNHZpS0NDUHJJbkZzaGtPb1pkQ0pTeEhfVXh2SmR0b20wZFJlRlRaSVVSWGxWV1hxaXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFVzhvSmNPT25ZQWtWcW1WSkZkQ1UwMnl2V0w1ZnFUTC1kSDY0bzcwSzBaQWtVVXVOa042c1lhVjN0SWpZSE81SzlmTXNlWEx3MzRnS1JkTHp2ekh2OEp5Mjh1RkZvVmVYdTNpYzZMTU1lODktRzV3MGlXNEtRQllWb3NLZmdLbEI2aW8zb25GV2FTOXlydllEUGJUYU5CS2xwZjVXTjBrOXhvVkpFU0RZdDAwPQ== |
Good observation. You also pointed out something important, which I am not sure if you intended to do. Google in and of itself provides all the tools you need to check the quality of information. I have noted that by doing site xray searches of specific sites and keywords via Google and by considering Google Trends data, that I can reliably pinpoint disinfo with almost no effort. The important thing is that PropOrNot is creating a real standard archive of this information.
Perhaps you could be so kind as to document your procedure for finding links to RT content in video as a 1,2,3... step process and post it here? | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzcFZYMFREUU1PVHR1anFJdC15anVxQjMyczFMdGZjM0dJc1pvaUxtWXN1U0UwZUliSGtwRE9BNndCQ2VQTHBkeF9XeXNjM2ZXVE5SOGJscUtwa2JlNWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFRm56U2lJNk42RHpCdWJsSm1vYVBOZ3ZfSmJpMXJTbmh5b2I4M0wtaGd4R1NETkpXWlJSUUlMODEzeVNycTktNGtJSjFzNjM4bHYyaWZqN0VPRkVHQm1TT3ZrNWhnUk1wVEMtWWY2V0RmQVhXZTZxUExWWlM2SWw5cVp3VmlxR2lXWGhvd052OTFrSjd4c0xZcXUxSXFVZXd6YlRnemYyNG1RcTkzcHFvTktrPQ== |
That's a fair question. We have always intended to incorporate something like that into our site, and plan to do so in the future.
With respect to truthdig.com:
http://www.truthdig.com/tag/russia/P850
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/whats_behind_time_magazines_putin_demonizing_20161005
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/nato_preps_biggest_military_build-up_on_russias_borders_20161026
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_genuine_us_reset_with_russia_is_long_overdue_20161115
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/hillary_clinton_campaign_divert_attention_wikileaks_Trump_Russia_20161012
If truthdig.com were to reach out to us, though, we would probably have a constructive conversation with them that would result in their removal! | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzSGkwSUhsMlBUT2dkR2swWERTRlhZbUdtMXNhdjMwNi1fUzN4NnVtNHFya3BZQmJvdVF6NUU0bkhFbjZMekNMMFNmVDNRTHkyOXVVTjBiWjQ1dDRybFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWVBTeGdOTjVyWHEwTUVIUXZNWG5ad0tweFRXV3lwVGdoN2lKRWhTYVlMMm1LMG5iam1kVEVyY0JrbGpoaXg0LS1uSEhRZWNnd1hoSzM3bzEwQUFTbHQ1bXQ5bng2RTJjOUE1REplY3BIaXJJcVJWRGxmd3NKQlp0M1QweTZVZThzTUhQaDk0LUx0ZWtGTGhXMVVMQ3JMeGVXMzFLOTlNNzBEeXBtN2NXSWlOTkU0SnBsZDNvZFRUcUNURVl0MDVW |
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Thanks!
I can see how [the NATO one](http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/nato_preps_biggest_military_build-up_on_russias_borders_20161026) would flag them, although it's actually reproduced from [commondreams.org](http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/26/nato-preps-biggest-military-build-russias-borders-cold-war) which isn't on your list. I don't really understand the methodology around the others though, aside from the observation that their whole site reads like a weird opinion blog. I only singled them out because they seem to be heavily quoted in the [Rolling Stone](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/washington-post-blacklist-story-is-shameful-disgusting-w452543) article and I was curious, and couldn't find obvious references back to Russian news sources.
Anyway, I like the idea of what you're trying to do, if it's authentic, and appreciate the effort you've put into it. You should definitely try to clarify some of your methodology, if possible, since it looks like you're experiencing some national attention. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-11-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzbFZtSzEwZXVDXzREWDJ4SWF6aDA5aFhYdEg2SkxEaEsyQXRLQUplbk9DU2NCMkFYTjVJbjBPcEoxZkZtb0JoQ1IxZ3dxV2dhRkRTOW9JRUFWbGJHZWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFQ3RiY0hRYnJuWVlXZkxvMEk2Z044YzFzRkRER3hNZVJuUXNTVUdWTjFMNC00RVkyc3VaeTdBalBaRkZyM2tPNzNHUnljbXlfT2pSQVpLcVBKdFFlZm5ycXJIVC1XSlJhSWI2eEFfX3d3WUk5ZXgxWGlucXp5aFgxVzZOOEgxbWd4WWlyNktGRW1acVp5VjFQcEdJRVZlX3kxNy1BLWpyb2RCTl84SDJjS2JCdWg2enJMY01CMWtxWEhIdUNrcnQw |
I also wrote this at the beginning of the year, which is flawed (eg Tsar Moundas cannot be "Tsar on Hills" as interpreted); however it does have some good insights, and also did flow from an insight into the "Google data anomaly" from 9/11/2001. (Eg Russian revanchist strategy could have been reflected in the use of Nostradamus as disinformation or propaganda.)
Updates to this theory would reference that the September 1999 apartment bombings in Russia could be evidence of the Russian secret services "believing" in this make believe prophecy. September was the 7th month of the Roman calendar, and Nostradamus claimed the "Third Antichrist" would come in 1999 and seven months. Contemporary 16th century Russian philosophers to Nostradamus (eg Filofey) saw Moscow as "Third Rome"; so a belief in Roman calendar wouldn't be far off the mark.
To be clear, I don't believe this, but see it potentially as an attempt to "make prophecy happen" OR to create a condition where the Russians COULD CLAIM they believed in Nostradamus to create a "Crazy Ivan" kind of strategic scenario. If you think about it, the best way to beat a "Mutually Assured Destruction" strategy is to convince your adversary you really want to destroy the world. Anyway, that's how I'd probably do it if I was Putin.
You will note that since the war on Chechnya was a core component of Putin's rise - as well as his claims to Bush on 9/11 - that these events may be linked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/43dv8s/nostradamus_tsar_domanus_my_early_working_theory/?st=iw68iqx8&sh=4b197698
My real stretch hypothesis would be that Nostradamus disinformation is like propaganda from Kirill who used to be KGB; like it is competition by Russian Orthodox secret services with Vatican secret services. I know that is awfully "Dan Brown" but the history of spies in Nostradamus' time was heavily concentrated on Italy/Venice and Nostradamus traveled significantly in Greece and Turkey which during the time of Nostradamus, the Tsar of Russia had been declared the protector of the Orthodox Church (again see "Third Rome" concept). At the time, Constantinople ("second Rome") was under the Sultan's control, but apparently due to some forgeries, etc. Russia was able to maneuver to be declared protector of the Orthodox Church and it comports with efforts to craft Moscow into the new seat of world Christianity (Third Rome).
So again in my mind, the "religious flavor" of Nostradamus is interesting in that it may have emerged originally from Orthodox church-connected secret services, that the Russian Orthodox Church is under Russian state control, and that the leader of it is a former KGB operative. | r/propornot | comment | r/PropOrNot | 2016-12-01 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzRk5vSTBTQkd4bFNkQUtJbGtaWGdRR3EwQ3BDUHUxdTVHZ1pMWkxlR3Y5NE53V0NQb05NWV96REtnczB3cUZ3UmZ1eUZlc2cySVdyTjVqa18yOUxsZEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFdjVHeFBiSTdVUEZMZ2RwZW9tSDM0SVpKTVlDNTBqdUNUX3I3cmpzSDl4MEY3d2U1QXRWWnluWl91anlhY3ItSDNERVotUjkxWjNJWEdMajE5RmVvcDRBbERtUmdtS1V5NGU4VkVDck9xWm1CNFAydDZfVVdWOGVPMU84Unp2TThvaGRvekl6ckNrWHAtbEpHU3FrMkxDQ19NWkZqcGJpaThPSk00a0ZWYWRwUUVFZ1J6MUhCN0dGTFk2UkplODd2ZHZiNUNqUEYwdDNrS01uamJuSXU3dz09 |
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**What is "fake news"?**
"Fake news" is not a new concept but the digital age has given it a new powerful platform to spread material to millions of users. Fake news is a cousin of "bad news", which ranges from subtle mainstream media bias to lazy writing and poor fact checking. Fake news is a more blatant iteration of this and is often spread for political purposes. Fake news appears as blogs or "news" sites that seem comparable to mainstream news sites. For the sake of discussion and broadening the purposes of this subreddit, we are also including memes, fake quotes, and other bad information that is spread online.
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**Who is involved with fake news?**
Bad information is spread via a direct process along these lines:
Originators ---> High Level Spreaders ---> Low Level Spreaders
*Originators* are the individuals who actually create the fake content to spread. Often they are post-truth trolls or political propagandists. There is a gradient from isolated trolls who do it for its own sake to those who actually make a living off of it, as shown when the Washington Post [interviewed an originator](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/?utm_term=.ab9d09799055):
>Paul Horner, the 38-year-old impresario of a Facebook fake-news empire, has made his living off viral news hoaxes for several years. He has twice convinced the Internet that he’s British graffiti artist Banksy; he also published the very viral, very fake news of a Yelp vs. “South Park” lawsuit last year.
A High Level Spreader is a larger operation (blog, popular facebook group, fake news website) that spreads the material to a large audience with very little effort. Generally an originator will also run a high level spreading operation at the same time, making it easier for them.
Finally, a Low Level Spreader is the consumer. These are the users who "consume" the fake material and then also spread it via "likes" and "shares".
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**Is fake news a partisan issue?**
No! We'd all like to think that our "side" is consuming real information while fake news is a problem of the other side. But in reality this is a bipartisan issue that will require people to introspect a little and be more vigilant in how they consume media.
Hyperpartisan Facebook groups have been spreading misleading information at an alarming rate. While it seems to be a bigger issue on the right, it's a [problem for everyone](https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/partisan-fb-pages-analysis?utm_term=.tlZxP6zld#.baawQlAEe):
>Hyperpartisan political Facebook pages and websites are consistently feeding their millions of followers false or misleading information, according to an analysis by BuzzFeed News. The review of more than 1,000 posts from six large hyperpartisan Facebook pages selected from the right and from the left also found that the least accurate pages generated some of the highest numbers of shares, reactions, and comments on Facebook — far more than the three large mainstream political news pages analyzed for comparison.
>Our analysis of three hyperpartisan right-wing Facebook pages found that 38% of all posts were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false, compared to 19% of posts from three hyperpartisan left-wing pages that were either a mixture of true and false or mostly false. The right-wing pages are among the forces — perhaps as potent as the cable news shows that have gotten far more attention — that helped fuel the rise of Donald Trump.
As noted this isn't simply a right wing problem. To provide one example on the other side: A quote spread around online about Trump calling Republican voters "stupid" was used to hurt him among voters both in the primaries and the general elections. The issue? [It's totally fake](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/trump-quote-facebook-trnd/).
>That viral meme your friends keep sharing of Donald Trump calling Republicans "the dumbest group of voters in the country" is not true. It's not a thing. Stop sharing it.
>While Donald Trump has said some questionable things, he never said anything even resembling this quote:
>"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific."
>The post says The Donald made the statement in a People Magazine interview in 1998. Except he didn't.
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**Can you provide a real world example of the fake news process?**
Absolutely!
On October 7th, 2016, Wikileaks began to publish the contents of the Podesta e-mails they were holding. Around this time there was a story spreading online that Hillary called Bernie supporters a "bucket of losers". This quote was found in a transcript of a Goldman Sachs speech and was supposedly referenced in one of the e-mails.
Infowars, via The American Mirror, [published this material](http://archive.is/ivBam) to their web site under the title "HILLARY CALLS HER OWN SUPPORTERS A BUCKET OF LOSERS".
Gateway Pundit also reproduced the story: [Wikileaks: Hillary Clinton Calls Bernie Fans and Millennials “Bucket of Losers” in Goldman Sachs Speech](http://archive.is/Kdyvo)
The story was also spread via the popular /r/the_donald subreddit getting multiple posts with hundreds and thousands of net upvotes. [This example here](https://unreddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/56f857/hillary_clinton_called_bernie_supporters_a_bucket/?) shows it being posted and the mods deleted all the comments trying to notify people the story is fake (deleted comments are in red). The truth of the story was irrelevant.
The Originator of this story was a fake news outfit called "Real. True. News." posing as a legitimate source of information. [Their story can be seen here](http://archive.is/ssqTd). If you pay any attention to details you will notice immediately that the story is dated October 3, 2016, before the Podesta e-mails began to leak.
One could also go directly to the source (Wikileaks) to see. A search for "bucket of losers" in the Podesta e-mail database [returns no results](https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=%22bucket+of+losers%22&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=0#searchresult). If people are unwilling to do ten seconds of research then what else can be spread? If you're a fake news troll, the world is your oyster.
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**Can you provide an example of a spreader manipulating readers?**
While some fake news stories are totally false, a lot of them start with a grain of truth. This example is also from the Podesta e-mails. Specifically this one written by Podesta himself:
>I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion. I think if she doesn't say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa.
If you actually read the e-mail and understand its context you will know that they are referring to the term "everyday Americans" and not the people who make up the group designated as "everyday Americans".
Do you think that's what the politically motivated fake news spreaders want you to think? The usual suspects went to work:
Gatewaypundit: [WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL: Hillary Advisors Admit She “HATES EVERYDAY AMERICANS”](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wikileaks-bombshell-hillary-advisors-admit-hates-everyday-americans/)
Infowars: [WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL: HILLARY CLINTON ‘HATES EVERYDAY AMERICANS’](http://archive.is/H33fL), written by Paul Joseph Watson, who had to later take down the article in shame. But he already got his message out, right?
WND: [Hillary campaign manager: 'I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans'](http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/new-email-leak-hillary-hates-everyday-americans/)
Drudge: [Season of the Witch: Hates Everyday Americans](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qST-fXJfYxAoRMaaReaE9IYy7XdlhW-DvdbqP7-6eqgQQxmCgoTetzfnp57MVARk_fvdU-LK5uR53x-QsJPtPAUffojjIDovwDC6PqdqrnDLgLbTqQevA6qH7IWjHLM0v58npzs)
I will focus in on the Infowars article to show further how readers are manipulated. Most readers have short attention spans so they do not read entire articles. That's why it's so important for writers to know that they need to either 1) make an impression early to keep the reader interested or 2) emphasis what you want at the top.
The (now removed) Infowars story bolds their summary at the very top and doesn't quote the statement in its proper context:
>New Wikileaks emails released just moments ago include a shocking admission by Clinton campaign manager John Podesta that Hillary Clinton “has begun to hate everyday Americans”.
Another warning sign to readers: be skeptical of sites that highlight certain sentences or words in bold lettering or caps. It's a form of editorializing without explicitly editorializing. By bolding words the author is telling the reader what is important. But that's not their job, they should be presenting the information and the reader will decide what is important. Paul Joseph Watson uses bold two more times in the article and this shows how shady and manipulative their operation is:
>“**I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans**, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I’m running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion,” writes Podesta.
^ Bolding only one part of the statement and not providing a proper explanation of what the statement actually meant. And further down:
>This is **huge**.
So if you just skimmed the page you would come away with two concepts: 1) Hillary hates everyday Americans and 2) this story is huge. This is subtle manipulation - you may not have consciously noticed it the first time, but your brain did.
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**Can you provide a good reading list to learn more?**
[How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/business/media/how-fake-news-spreads.html?_r=0)
[This Analysis Shows How Fake Election News Stories Outperformed Real News On Facebook](https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/viral-fake-election-news-outperformed-real-news-on-facebook?utm_term=.bn1ZRJGY9#.ldqxEzryg)
[Facebook fake-news writer: ‘I think Donald Trump is in the White House because of me’](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/?utm_term=.60265265ca86)
[How Teens In The Balkans Are Duping Trump Supporters With Fake News](https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.elq3e8xbW#.fkRE2LxQ6)
[We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here's What We Learned](http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs)
[The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself](http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/30/media/facebook-fake-news-plague/)
[Solving the Problem of Fake News](http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/solving-the-problem-of-fake-news)
[Google, Facebook move to restrict ads on fake news sites](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-advertising-idUSKBN1392MM)
[Fake news: an insidious trend that's fast becoming a global problem](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/02/fake-news-facebook-us-election-around-the-world)
[Hyperpartisan Facebook Pages Are Publishing False And Misleading Information At An Alarming Rate](https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/partisan-fb-pages-analysis?utm_term=.axdXWb35A#.qdxRd9JzM)
[Site: Fake News Watch](http://www.fakenewswatch.com/)
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Automated bots are sharing it and "falling for it" and sharing it again.. Much of the fake news would otherwise get nowhere without these automated bots... We need a blacklist of the automated bots, fake accounts, and trolls. How do you guys identify them? Can you build a plug-in for that? | r/propornot | post | r/PropOrNot | 2016-12-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzZ3hfbjhlTTExcTg1QloyclcxWVhkZDBuV3ZKQ0hSLTRhQXdsbkpNNHhxb01leFhwcWxCZWhmZGZBUER4LWFfUm9raU1wT0RuQl9OMzBUd0NkTWloSVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFdkFwUWFQd2ZEbW8yUU9zd0tkeERHMEdJaHZseHV5ckFudWdsNDlCVHd0NzRQaHcyTXFUZDZYNjE5X0RNOUdGZ002RlFqaEZQY3lRdDZfTHNYVU5TaXdDekRRSXcwVXhmeWhOZ04zMG9fNTVWZXlQcWhiTzR1OVpfazJ4el8xMU5BMUVxUTFGdm5iWGpwZmhYQ2c1RENPbngwU3JGVU5pWjV1ekplZlZteXdUc25mLU9MdnhuQk03NHVEaVdfbV9sa0hhV2trN3oxSjFqanpoYnFxNnJtUT09 |
I remember watching some rather good American documentaries on various conflicts when I was a child, especially on world war two. But I am having some serious difficulties finding any documentaries made in the US in the last fifteen years that hasn't made me feel like drilling holes in my skull. Measurements in football fields, empire state buildings and statues of liberty. Repeating the same thing fifteen times. Showing the same section of interview multiple times. Ignoring the fact that there were in fact other countries involved other than America and bad guys.
WW2 in HD, surviving D Day, wings of the third Reich, all the rest that I gave up on within fifteen minutes of pressing play that I haven't even bothered remembering the names of. It's not just world war two doccos either. Great planes is awful, anything that has the word "secret" in the title, ANYTHING with R. Lee Ermy, ancient black ops, anything on ancient history is badly written, badly narrated and badly researched, or just seems that they're catering for total morons.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a modern US documentary that doesn't just suck? Everything I find is trash, I'm running out of YouTube links that don't have a red bar going partway across the thumbnail, and I've stopped buying them in case they are, well, American. | r/wardocumentaries | post | r/WarDocumentaries | 2017-01-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzR3ozSjVZeVJMSFZxVmVxYzRPQ0hhZnB4V1FFRjB6NEphRjJfZEI2eUs4X29BdkJOQXpfdURZdmpOaDREazkyOVlaS1pvWGVsUlFvV3pLakJjeDhYMVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFNERFN09SbFZXeDlBbjZpUlRFYlYwWDR5dXJpbWZlQmg1X2V4bUd1SVQySjg2VExlLUhwcVpJWUh2a0FWUHJ4UFBYMnlXbC1SbmN0NEYtdEd6NTc4RzVRNkFfeGNTRjctbnF4U0R0cm53WVQxZDZLQTR4UmdQTjdnejF6UG5MQU5XaV9HVnVWdjYwRXM4VmVKQzVtZEFRNGVUME9IM3JCN3YwVHFfdWpBck5NPQ== |
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r/southsudancivilwar | post | r/SouthSudanCivilWar | 2017-03-01 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzTms5V0FIUnMtanpDTnpveVVqNkYxYzJGOVUyaG5hWnBfZjRBRzJySG9XdkpFWkJJMUdnMWh5RkpEckFRTGw1YXJWTmRqMlMzMEZoMjFSdF9GZmJKRnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWkZvM1hsdGpqdlFVV2ZVSElqX1NrejJaN05nUkRrdDMtNlNsUjVxaEk2V2NxV0tQQUFQUG1CZElNSm9vdDlaLTI4TUV0cVQ4S2Rnd3dfbnBPRjFkMlc5X19fSTJyeDFLNlZkMzlrSnJhdVIxREQtR3UtQkhiVU42Sk9zakc3RUdkOURMbHkyS0RIUzY1VmIzbXcwLXYwZlZPSGJZY0JPVG5taTBQNHY5enhJMnhnakEzQkNlczZETm1DWlZQenhKVDRGN3ZCZDAwYUhnSFI2bkdPNnF5UT09 |
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It only gets closer to our unfortunately accurate world view from here. To those who believed us, thank you for your support. To those that chastised us, we apologize for our failures at PR, but the data is coming clearer every day. We have a problem here, and it is foreign and insidious. | r/propornot | post | r/PropOrNot | 2017-03-22 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzVnY1aFZueDI2a0xvWjlKcGlROGwwMDY1Q1hjUndsbExlcUxxQ2IzWml6alBDQl80YzlycEh4blJJdWNBa1hseUdOZ2dadjlNS01XOHBuZ2JnRjFTa1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFbWRTWWRXN1FDT1ZwSmQyREZwQ2c3NmdzYWZoWXRQSVNNUUd3QXRSWF9UQWFlaUFMdzBxZ3Z4dGN1V2ZSY3RzajVyQl9zUHZFeVhEX1NPUndVZy14NXNza2VGMms3aUdBd1pURzJLNzRCdjdyNFpuMEF2RS1VLVUtd195Ukw1LWNhUW9uR2V2d3U0QnFYR0g0ZGg5ZGtYSFpRY2JDUGphQ3FvX3p2dWl5QU9NVFhMRjhJQzlHaFJiRUVxNHZTX0F4aXVnbW01c09NY3lxc2xJWUxRbjhBQT09 |
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r/russiawarinukraine | post | r/russiawarinukraine | 2017-03-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOFN0Y205Z3lhaHBEMFA2WGo0RWlORjlMa0FnbGtBNGdaWVkwcjl2U1V2VDRPYmdjTlpRbzNwNGJ5ZzRpSTk5bVhpZlVCZ0F3LUgzOGRiWXpFTVNmYXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFYzNzTkg1T2g5SkFrTTRibk5objc3NWJrQzZJMGpuaXEzUzExZWlZd2pmYlNOWEprdFlzaHJTbXZpZmpnbUoyTzl5c2ZQaEJ6a0l3RDFINnNmRmlfNHBIOHEwQXZiWjBKNHJDRklRUDU3VXB0d2J5dkhPNElNb2V0MjdXalNNbjBCdlQ1UWYwcHdVRDNOSXB4YTJxeFQ1WTdEaldoYkh4Um1YcjMtMGx3X2tjbzF1V3Z5REE4aXNKUkNBdUMwTXNrN0l3Rml0d29WMDdzWUo2S054UE1kdz09 |
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r/southsudancivilwar | post | r/SouthSudanCivilWar | 2017-04-04 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzOEtmTWFGREtpMG9zMXptTjNVQ0NYNkcyMERReUtWMFY0RVFTQkFsUzMyT1ZpREN2VnRSTmRqTUtyRnRwWFVtbHE0YTFBTTl3VV9nQUY3TUZtSi1NSnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFWDZMb2l0eE44OFZ0aTNHUTBsWlNfbkNjekZISk51TGNwOW1vRV9RMGUtd09iX1FwTW9aeVNobFZqQkY0NEJPQjd5eGR2S21Mb3ZVWUVSRk1hLXJqTDJWVDdXX3JZZXZiT3l0bDk1bnZfVTdveEphOW9VMVNGb1ZXellHaUoxOE1oUUI1QkJ1Wk9HMHJDT1NVVjRSOGNxYTZPN29WSjR6RElaSDhNTDJsTzlFcHhFX1JiV2l5VWg5NC1LNVhfSDBzb2MwcTM2MlZETkZuTUtra0tiSUVqQT09 |
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Gentlemen & Goldilocks,
Some may remember me from the days of old in other Syria related subreddits and online forums. Well, I am back and with a new goal: Turn this sub into an "experts-corner" of sorts.
With other places slowly but consistently declining in quality and circlejerk-ness, I think what a small group of hardcore users want is a corner with fewer, but more high quality posts where discussion is free, diverse and without the threat of perma-bans and where harsh measures are taken *only* against bots, spammers, worldnews-overflow and the like.
Nevertheless, I strongly believe in giving interested novice users an opportunity to learn and educate themselves too. Questions can and should be answered by more knowledgeable people.
**As such, there will be two experimental changes to this sub:**
1. Moderation will be biased toward long-term and high-quality users.
2. Moderation will be biased toward the side that is underrepresented or otherwise marginalized, to prevent circlejerkization.
3. The goal is still that no real/serious user will ever be perma-banned, instead we will be working with warning and frequent-but-short bans to cool down people.
The current amount of banned users is: 0.
I want to mention three more things:
**Twitter spam**
Measures will be taken to combat excessive twitter spam, however nothing is outright banned or excluded. Posting interesting twitter threads is in fact encouraged.
**Banned sites**
There are none. Obvious spam and conspiracy sites will be removed as decided by moderators.
**Emotional things**
This sub should focus on analysis and background. I personally would discourage posting things that do not contribute, such as pictures of dead children. However, again, nothing is outright banned at this point.
**Flairs**
A flair system might be introduced at some point in the future, however there will not be a "pro-x" or "anti-y" or "confirmed" kind of system. Users are expected to judge bias and credibility of news sites and tweeps themselves. Of course asking is fine too. | r/levantinewar | post | r/LevantineWar | 2017-04-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzQ0dBSllFTDFnYm16ZW4tS0FLVGhqNUptM1hfbzYzeXEzcGEtVUZDZmdNVDdQNWlLanh5aGZLMUV5aTdkUVgwVTI2NWRWWTJ1WE52dGFUektYcWg0dVRUUnFwMzVnNmlmaHE4bGl1all3d3M9 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFd0VmTkh1bjEzOS01N1I2dHVXVzJYLTNTekFVbDRGWXhyR3FMTzNSX3ZNdjdKbkgzYml5NHFRbnMtTTk5aWpsWVZyR0Eyb3RjNU1sVk5SaFRFZEYzVEdqcVk2UzFWdzdpR3BZRmUxZnlrZUN6MFgzUHo5a2NaOXQ1c2FHdno2dUxEVWlVdFF6Rmc4U29RNjRpVkpyaDh3Vjh2RFJldUJCcXR0UExPUHdYQk1QSzVtWGx3OGIwZXJ0RU0xM3FlRWVU |
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r/globalaffairs | post | r/Globalaffairs | 2017-04-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpzV2syeklYRlRIVGRlY2hCMzZyRUxWdTZkNzdJS1FwMHFCQnFObVBGNkc2cjZmdDlRVThSTWU2SkRxb1N4Yy1icF9BRndWREF6VmFFNlVNZ21ZaU9ldlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm03SHpFeVh4TXZueUVFbld3blRsT1JzcmZPSndCQnFVbDBRX2NPdS1aMWJxeW1YbUVDbnQ4THlfU2tyRVhoSXNxTlhpazVkZy1fMmRURl9mM1pqNGFHZWMtQmZoWmNKZk5BNlB4RXUwMFgxUU1aa3pHWjRZbi1WdVh1U2U1eDZDdjk4T3lubTJrbEdTXzJucHN5OFpjU0wwTzRlY2ZobFpTZ3pUaFE2clFmWU54Z2RPdEd3b2VyNjNqa01WQm5UWWZLdkVkODI3YjlMcmttYXB2UGNGTXhsRGxudz09 |
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](http://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-security-arrests-idUSKBN17S0J1) reduced by 77%. (I'm a bot)
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> ANKARA Turkish authorities arrested more than 1,000 people on Wednesday they said had secretly infiltrated police forces across the country on behalf of a U.S.-based cleric blamed by the government for a failed coup attempt last July.
> The nationwide sweep was one of the largest operations in months against suspected supporters of the cleric, Fethullah Gulen, a former ally of President Tayyip Erdogan who is now accused by the government of trying to topple him by force.
> Many relatives of those detained or sacked since July say they have nothing to do with the armed attempt to overthrow the government, and are victims of a purge designed to solidify Erdogan's control.
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